Right, and I don't believe Mikrotik supports them all, but upon introduction they did support many of them and I've more popping up as time goes on.
When is IS going to have MPLS? ---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Broadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points > MPLS isn't one thing, it's a set of over 50 RFCs. Most implementations > don't have all of them at this point. When you look to implement MPLS, > you > need to know which parts you need and then make sure that your provider > supports them. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:46 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points > > Mikrotik supports MPLS. > > > ---------- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points > > >> Ok..... >> >> When someone designs an end to end transport network they are committing >> to >> being a layer3 or a layer2 network by design. >> Sure you can have bridged components on a routed network, and you can >> have >> routed end devices on a bridged network, and you can do it differently on >> your WAN, MAN, Last mile Relays. But functionally all-in-all, your city >> transport that transposts the VPN is either are layer2 or layer3 network. >> This is what defines what VPN alternative you have to offer. >> >> One of the benefits I sell is Office to Office connectivity, BYPASSING >> the >> Public Internet, with a controlled On-Net path across my LAyer3 network. >> Adding the benefit of one connection to accomplish both Internet and >> private >> network functionality. This is both a QOS and Cost advantage, but all in >> all, I price it like Internet access, because its functionally routed >> like >> Internet traffic using Layer3. >> >> Its important to under stand the difference between Layer2 and Layer3 >> VLANs. >> LAyer3 generally offers shortest path, via the same rules that apply to >> all >> customer's traffic. Layer2 VLANs offer something different. Layer2 >> generally provides a static path (not necessarilly shortest path) >> engineered >> between two points. When at Layer2, a defines capacity can be >> provisioned, >> without concern for distance and quality that might come into play to >> effect >> real world throughput if had done at layer3 w/ native re-transmission and >> Congestion avoidence mechanisms. There are many efficiency benefits of >> LAyer3, that will never be achieved at Layer2, and Layer2 offers many >> things >> Layer 3 will never deliver. >> >> The point I'm making is, the provider needs to determine the factors that >> are most beneficial to them as a provider and their prospective market. >> Those decissions are so much more important than the type of VPN or VLAN >> used. And that is what you are really comparing when comparing two >> providers' VPN Connectivity offerings. >> >> To offer basic VLAN redundancy it requires all paths to be connected at >> layer2 so the Spanning tree protocols talk and work. But layer2 >> redundancy >> protocols can fuinctionally break LAyer3 redundancy (such as OSPF and >> IBGP). >> So its really choosing one or the other. >> >> MPLS solves all this, by adding VPN, Layer2, QOS, preferred path, all in >> a >> single platform of protocols. Sorta the best of both worlds (LAyer2 and >> LAyer3). >> The problem is MPLS is not cost effective to deploy in most cases, >> because >> the MPLS manufacturers charge to high an inflated markup on MPLS enabled >> gear. There is no technical reason why MPLS gear needs to cost more. But >> it >> still does. Its the difference between buying a new $20,000 MPLS router >> and >> a used $500 thirdparty or used non-MPLS router. Sure there are exceptions >> all over the place to get a deal, but the whole network needs to talk >> MPLS >> for it to really be beneficial, so if you can't find 100% of it cheap, >> the >> reast you pay top dollar. >> >> Many of the MPLS open source products are developing, but its scary >> endorsing a platform, that is not widely supported yet by several open >> source router systems. >> It locks you into a platform that may or may not ever get complete or >> work >> 100% correctly. I think OPENSOURCE MPLS is exciting to watch, but its >> not >> quite there yet. >> >> Layer3 VPN is a great way to get your IP space to securly end up from one >> side of your network to the other. This is benefical when someone has >> chosen >> a LAyer3 transport design, because itworks voer layer3 :-) >> >> If you chose a LAyer2 VLAN as a replacement for VPN that is also OK, but >> its >> a complete change of network design. >> >> We use VLAN all the time, but we route between VLANs, apposed to use the >> VLAN to cross our entire network as a VPN. >> >> Personally, if everything cost the same, my whole network would be MPLS >> based, but it doesn't cost the same. And I can undercut my competitors >> on >> price by atleast a factor of 10x, because I'm not using MPLS. So to do >> it >> with MPLS, you really have to be focused on marketing to the segment of >> the >> population that udnerstands the difference and will pay for it. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patrick Nix Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VLan or VPN to multiple points >> >> >>> We already run some VPNs across our network but I am under the >>> impression that VLans may be a little more efficient way of transporting >>> data where the points all reside within our network. 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