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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > No doubt I should have picked this up before Chuck, but what is the > "animal > farm" event? > > Yes if I can contibute and work it out with my schedule, what ever it is. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > > Ron, > Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? > I think this topic would be very interesting for all. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > > >> Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to >> any >> successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs >> that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, >> and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate >> center >> (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can >> get >> numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. >> This >> is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate >> center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, >> we >> can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We >> also >> offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get >> numbers, here are the options: >> >> >> >> 1. We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always >> looking >> for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or >> we >> move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an >> order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we >> ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to >> their >> customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units >> on >> a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case >> they >> just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but >> without an automated process, we cannot make it work. >> >> >> >> 2. When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the >> option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we >> can >> get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for >> friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative >> number >> from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family >> on >> the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a >> more >> difficult marketing challenge. >> >> >> >> 3. The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. >> We >> have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they >> needed >> DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. >> I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can >> make >> your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the >> country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per >> month. >> We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the >> administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the >> pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that >> PRI, >> oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those >> customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be >> able >> to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the >> 200 >> level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI >> of >> course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be >> converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. >> We >> would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for >> and >> install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to >> configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of >> course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be >> under >> water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize >> the >> cost of the router. >> >> >> >> You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine >> on >> the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If >> you >> wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless >> (except >> for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken >> in >> unique circumstances where you are comfortable that the market potential >> justifies the investment. >> >> >> >> In the past we have owned 3 CLECs and consider ourselves good at porting >> numbers. As I said, we can port the vast majority, but only where we can >> get numbers assigned. And not every LEC has to sell you their numbers. >> >> >> >> Sorry for the long treatise on the issue, but it's complicated as you can >> see. I'm not trying to sell you in this case; rather I'm just describing >> our experience, our process, and your exposure. For those of you that >> are >> Vox customers, be sure to work with us to determine where numbers are >> available before you invest in that market, assuming that digital voice >> is >> an important component for ARPU and payback criteria. I will share with >> you >> that one of our fastest growing customers is a WISP, and they are >> experiencing a 92% take rate on voice with their new broadband customers. >> >> >> >> I hope that helps. I trust you will tell me where you disagree with me. >> :-) >> >> >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:15 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! >> >> >> >> Yes, but you probably require a interconnect with the other carrier in >> >> order to port the number. More to the point, VOX probably is reselling >> >> Level3 or whoever that doesn't have an interconnect with the local LEC >> >> and therefore can't port. >> >> >> >> -Matt >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> >> >>> I am a rural telecom, one of the most rural in the nation. And I >> >>> wasn't >> >>> exempt at all. >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:45 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow >> >>>> porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. >> >>>> If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have >> >>>> to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is >> >>>> where >> >>>> all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to >> >>>> port >> >>>> from. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work >> >>>>> around? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with >> >>>>> VoxCorp, so >> >>>>> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something >> >>>>> like >> >>>>> this.. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their >> >>>>> cellular, >> >>>>> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with >> >>>>> PRIs??? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Somebody have a solution? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> John M. McDowell >> >>>>> Boonlink Communications >> >>>>> 307 Grand Ave NW >> >>>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >> >>>>> 256.844.9932 >> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>> www.boonlink.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >> >>>>> privileged. >> >>>>> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >> >>>>> addressee), >> >>>>> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the >> >>>>> message or >> >>>>> any >> >>>>> information contained in the message. 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