Just a word of caution, native Linux will only work up to a certain point
with PPPoE/L2TP.

Jeff 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

I am using a Linux box as the router, I am going to add a couple more
interfaces to that box and call the problem solved for now. Going forward I
will be looking at a topology change to prevent these issues. PPPoE looks
like the ticket.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Charles Wyble wrote:
>
>>>- Many APs have client isolation, which keeps traffic from one client 
>>>going to another.  Some switches have this as well.
>>
>>Wouldn't all switches have this by design and during normal operation 
>>(various exploits to sniff traffic non withstanding of course).
>
> Charles,
> All switches do not, unfortunately, have this capability.  The 
> switches (low end) will stop SOME traffic, but broadcast traffic (like 
> DHCP DISCOVER) will NOT be stopped by the switch.  In fact, if the 
> switch DID stop this traffic, you'd not be able to do DHCP on a 
> switched network, which is, of course, possible.
>
>>>- PPPoE or similar between the customer premise and your network core
>
> Clint,
> I agree that this is probably a best solution, but given the network 
> he described, I'd approach it in a slightly different way.  I can't 
> recall who initially asked the question that started this thread, but 
> my initial reaction, given the information you've provided regarding 
> the network design.
>
> First, as Clint suggested, you should consider some design changes 
> that would make the network more reliable AND easier to troubleshoot.  
> With the network gear you've described, there is no easy way to create 
> the separation between the APs.  His suggestion to ensure you have 
> client to client comms turned off is the first step.  In order to 
> create separation between the APs, you have one of 2 quick/easy 
> choices.  First, you can configure your switch to put each of the APs 
> on a unique VLAN, then configure the router on the trunk port and 
> separate/manage the traffic at the router.  This is going to be the 
> cheapest option IF your switch already supports VLANs with a trunk 
> port option.
>
> The second option would be to physically separate the APs by putting 
> them into different ports on your router (instead of on a switch).
> This option, of course, assumes you either already have the spare 
> ethernet ports, or could add them easier/cheaper than you could do so 
> with a switch.  You never did mention what type of router you have.  
> Please fill in this detail and we can provide a better/more complete 
> answer.
>
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