That hospital should be running WSUS to manage their updates.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:52 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates > ...and from many website's you will never get this. The traffic congestion > on a 100 meg link can choke it down to less than 10 meg, with huge sites > such as myspace, yahoo, and many others...not saying that it happens > often. I host about 50 websites on a 3 meg connection for myself and > others, and in 8 years have NEVER heard a single complaint from my > webhosters. A 10 meg download from Chuck's customer to my web server will > NEVER be realized. As Chuck says, the bandwidth test is on a server that > the customer directly connects to across their wireless link, which is a > true bandwidth check to that point. The truth is in the advertising...If > he says you will get 10 meg to any place at any time, he might get busted > for false adv. Not sure how he does it, but if it is worded right, he will > get many more customers and no complaints...just cause of burstiness of > web surfing. > > On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for > windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the > inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like > Service Pack 3...? > > Scott > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:06:15 -0600 > >>Bigger number in the advertising and on your website gets the customer. >>We are truthful. The truth is, you will most likely see 10.2 Mbps any >>random time you choose to do a speed test. >>You will also get wide open throttle most of the time you are clicking >>around web sites and checking your email. >>DSL cannot do this. Most Comcast accounts cannot do this. Because we can >>do this, we get and keep customers. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> Again, I have to say, "up to 8Mbps" is completely different than selling >> a true "8Mbps". I can sell an "up to 8Mbps" service using 802.11b >> equipment too. >> >> Maybe I'll start selling an "up to 100Mbps" service for the same price >> as all my other packages... ;) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>We sell up to 8Mbps on Canopy advantage without issues. Nearly all our >>customers are within a couple miles though and as long as they have less >>than a -76, they get full speed. Rarely do we have two customers doing >>full >>speed at the same time on the same sector. (Most we have on a sector is >>50) >> Maybe we are luckier than most >>The main problem on Advantage (as well as other systems) is upload. >> However, Canopy QoS is good and even saturated links don't affect VoIP >>quality. We sell a small business 8/2 package and when you see one of >>them >>soaking upload for long periods and a couple customers running outbound >>P2P, >>you start to worry a little but we haven't had any complaints due to >>capacity. >> >> >>On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom DeReggi >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> Chuck, >> >>Not to rain on your parade but... I'm a little confused on how 10.2 mbps >>is >>possible w/ Canopy. Advantage series peak capacity is just for short range >>customers, and a large percentage of the capacity can be voided by by the >>farther out slower non-advantage CPEs. When Up/down rate ratios have to be >>pre-fined (for syncing) that limits the radio from using the ful capacity >>of >>the Radio. Its one of the big reasons that we chose Trango 8 years ago >>originally, so that it was infact possible to get full radio speed in one >>direction when it was available in low usage time, so we could quote >>higher >>speeds to business symetrical customers. >> >>Sure, if we consider 14mb real world advantage best case for Advantage >>series, use all advantage series CPE, and do a 70 / 30 download to upload, >>sure 10mbps peak downloads are possible for a single client, in that >>scenario. Provided that the WISP was fine with all other customers being >>100% STARVED at the time the one customer was monopolizing the peak >>capacity. >>We tried that once, and it was a big mistake because it caused latency to >>sky rocket for all the other customers when they first attempted to use >>capacity, and the feel of the circuit because very bursty feeling. The >>short >>pauses made it feel like something was wrong with the circuit. TCP could >>not >>deal with it properly, it needs time to tune. Because of TCP's reaction, >>it >>actually translated to a slower experience than if we just gave customers >>half the speed. So.... My Points is.... >> >>Your concept of bursting a HIGH capacity for short periods is a sound >>concept, provided that you never let one cusomer have ALL your bandwdith. >>Headroom is needed. We found that if we let our customers burst to half >>the >>radio full capacity, we could use the same technique sucessfully because >>all >>the other subs were NEVER starved from bandwidth. >> >>We tried pushing the limits, such as allowing 7-8mb out of the 10mb, but >>it >>was to risky to do that because there were times when the full 10mbps was >>not achieve, such as when link quality degraded and retransmission occured >>do to RF packetloss, or when small packets were being used instead of pull >>packet size. Customers would suffer with the effects of non bandwdith >>shaping. >>There was also some issues with how well bandwdith shaping worked on Intel >>systems at 10mbps, as 10mbps speeds is about the peak speed before it >>exceed >>Intel's interupt clock limits of 100 ticks per second, nor was common Fair >>Weighted Queuing method able to be operation simultanoeus to trying to be >>used with Burst bucket type queuing. (Unless you aren't using Intel) >> >>So if we have a 10mbps HDX radio, we would sell peak 5 mbps services, and >>this would allow us to deliver good non-bursty performance without delays, >>and let us acheive high over subscription rates. And if we had a FDX >>imulated radio, that downloaded at 10mbps, again 5mbps would be the peak >>speed we allowed in our bursting. >> >>To keep it Real, With Canopy Advantage series, I'd highly recommend to >>WISPs >>that they do not commit to offer peak speeds above 5mbps per customer. It >>can result in severe degration at some customers sites that could be going >>on, and the WISP never really know it if they weren't sitting in front of >>the end user computers experiencing exactly what the end user was >>experienceing. And if you don't believe me, and want to push the limits, >>maybe 7mbps, but anything above that... its getting risky. >> >>That is provided that you'd be advertising Real Transfer Speed, instead of >>gross over the air speed. There have been some WISP that have quoted >>"11mbps" for 2.4Ghz DSSS wifi systems that could only pass 3mbps, because >>they quoted Hardware gross specs and not real throughput. But in todays >>world, that is gettign harder and harder to do, with the many online speed >>test sites that are becoming common practice for end users to use to test >>their speeds. Its darn near impossible to get a full 10mbps speed test >>result from these test sites over a wireless nework, and much easier to >>achieve a 5mbps test, do to the distance, windowsize, latency variables >>that >>can effect TCP's real world throughput. (For example, 64k windowsize at >>80ms, will only allow about a 3mbps transfer to occur). >> >>Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing Canopy... We have actually started >>to use some Canopy Advantage series on our shorter range sectors, where >>verticle pol was free. (because we can find them on EBAY cheap, with all >>the >>Muni projects going south). I'm actually very impressed with their speed >>and quality of RF. But I'm just sharing what we've learned with Bandwidth >>management, since we've been doing it since 2001. >> >>Maybe the Canopy 400series, can deliver the higher throughputs ? I heard >>Motorolla was planning on making a 5.8G model of teh 400 series? >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> Our Canopy customers are used to getting 10.2 Mbps download speed. If >> the >> start a huge file transfer they get wide open throttle for a while >> (that >>while depends on their rate plan) then they get throttled until that >>particular file transfer is over. Once they stop, wide open throttle >>again. They love it. The power users call in and upgrade their rate >> plan >> all the time. Excellent up sell opportunities with zero effort. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Travis Johnson >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> How does Canopy fix a customer satisfaction problem? If they are used to >>getting 5Mbps download speed and you have to cap them at 1Mbps, it >> doesn't >> really matter what platform you are using. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >>Canopy... >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM >>Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers >> >> >> Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth >> that >> you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of downloading. And >>what >>do you tell them when they start complaining about the throttled down >>speed. >>(they don't know your throttling them though) >> >> >> >>Kurt Fankhauser >>WAVELINC >>P.O. Box 126 >>Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>419-562-6405 >>www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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