Interesting.... Why a FCC attorney instead of the typical Freq Coordination 
Engineering companies?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...


> We have an FCC attorney in Virginia do it for us.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
>
>
>> Speaking of that, who do you use for your FCC licensing/coordination on
>> these links, or do you do it in-house?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> Chuck McCown - 2 wrote:
>>> There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed.  They make 
>>> you
>>> use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower.  I allows more
>>> frequency
>>> reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint.  We are in a rural area
>>> and
>>> sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to
>>> use
>>> @ 6 GHz.  The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 
>>> mile
>>> hops.  Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting
>>> today...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ok, that opens up a useful conversation.....
>>>>
>>>> Why is that?
>>>> 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft
>>>> antennas.allowed.
>>>> I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I 
>>>> do
>>>> 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not
>>>> translating to larger deployment.
>>>> I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft
>>>> dishes.
>>>>
>>>> So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas?
>>>> Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference?
>>>> Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated?
>>>> And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller
>>>> antenna
>>>> is "secondary" and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size
>>>> antenna?
>>>>
>>>> The fact is.... 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused
>>>> spectrum
>>>> available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one 
>>>> tower
>>>> or
>>>> property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed.  6ft
>>>> requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry.
>>>>
>>>> Tom DeReggi
>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting
>>>> today...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with
>>>>> 6GHz
>>>>> that is a real bad idea.  It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz
>>>>> freq
>>>>> pair in some areas today.  Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean
>>>>> even
>>>>> fewer available freq pairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting
>>>>> today...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller
>>>>> antennas
>>>>> to
>>>>> be allowed on 6Ghz.
>>>>> Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t
>>>>> hold
>>>>> for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger..
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom DeReggi
>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting
>>>>> today...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP...  aren't
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> quite some range to them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM
>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting
>>>>>> today...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Butch,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then, the "music" turned to "noise"....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable 
>>>>>>> instead,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> said, "but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> very important part of broadband delivery"..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and
>>>>>>> FCC
>>>>>>> committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. 
>>>>>>> Atleast,
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> know where we stand now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> fix,
>>>>>>> if the FCC will allow it.  All they have to do is waive the magic
>>>>>>> wand
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> change "100mw" to "4w" (at least for non-adjacent channels), and
>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> survive without adequate power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom DeReggi
>>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> To: "Wispa List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: "WISPA Members List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting
>>>>>>> today...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our
>>>>>>>> industry.  In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but
>>>>>>>> in his comments today he made a couple of statements that were
>>>>>>>> "music to my ears".  Then, the "music" turned to "noise"....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "White spaces are the blank pages on which we will write our
>>>>>>>> broadband future."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't agree more.  He also said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Today?s decision is consequential to our nation?s future because
>>>>>>>> wireless broadband has the potential to improve our economy and
>>>>>>>> quality of life in even the remotest areas."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, when I heard this, I thought he must REALLY "get it".  Then,
>>>>>>>> he went on to say this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Unlicensed spectrum holds by far the most promise for maximizing
>>>>>>>> the use of white spaces. Our balanced approach in this order
>>>>>>>> provides the flexibility and low barriers to entry needed to 
>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>> an opportunity for everyone to make the best use of this under-used
>>>>>>>> spectrum. It also implements safeguards to protect those that
>>>>>>>> already make valuable use of the spectrum."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHAT?  The "most promise"?  I'm not horribly disappointed about the
>>>>>>>> overall likely outcome of the rules, but how can he think that
>>>>>>>> unlicensed at 100mW is going to "maximize the use" of anything?
>>>>>>>> Unlicensed used has not been bad for us as WISPs in the past, but
>>>>>>>> these power levels will not give us anywhere near the useful
>>>>>>>> spectrum that the WISPA suggested "licensed lite" approach could
>>>>>>>> have offered.  I won't continue in disecting his statement since
>>>>>>>> most of it was not something I am very positive about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All talk today centered around point-to-point deployments and
>>>>>>>> nothing about ptmp.  This is not a perfect scenario, but it's not a
>>>>>>>> total loss.  I strongly suggest that all interested parties (that's
>>>>>>>> you if you are a WISP) at least read the statements and news 
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> at http://www.fcc.gov/ and see for yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think the decisions were a total loss.  We did get
>>>>>>>> geolocation, which is very important to WISPA's position.  We also
>>>>>>>> got adjacent channel space, which was very unexpected.  The only
>>>>>>>> real problems I see are the lack of sufficient power, which is
>>>>>>>> because they chose unlicensed over license lite.  Our FCC committee
>>>>>>>> worked very hard to get us to this point.  I don't think any of us
>>>>>>>> realize how much time Jack Unger and Steve Coran put into this 
>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>> on our behalf over the past 2-3 weeks.  If you have not personally
>>>>>>>> thanked them, you really should take a minute to do so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My personal take on this is that they wanted to do "something" but
>>>>>>>> not too much.  I think I sense a "new battleground" forming when 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> new commission takes over next year.  It is for this reason, that I
>>>>>>>> urge ALL OF YOU (me, too) to do 3 things over the next few months:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. If you are not already, become a WISPA member.  We would not be
>>>>>>>> at this point without your financial support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. If you have not already done so, become familiar with WHY the
>>>>>>>> TVWS are (or will be) beneficial to you and your network.  This 
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> prepare you for the upcoming fight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Join the debates which are sure to come over the next few weeks
>>>>>>>> to help WISPA prepare to continue the fight for this most valuable
>>>>>>>> of spectrums for our cause.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>>>>>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation*
>>>>>>>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering    *
>>>>>>>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member    *
>>>>>>>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks    *
>>>>>>>> ********************************************************************
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>> -- 
>> Randy Cosby
>> Vice President
>> InfoWest, Inc
>>
>> office: 435-773-6071
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