Interesting.... Why a FCC attorney instead of the typical Freq Coordination Engineering companies?
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... > We have an FCC attorney in Virginia do it for us. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... > > >> Speaking of that, who do you use for your FCC licensing/coordination on >> these links, or do you do it in-house? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: >>> There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed. They make >>> you >>> use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower. I allows more >>> frequency >>> reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint. We are in a rural area >>> and >>> sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to >>> use >>> @ 6 GHz. The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 >>> mile >>> hops. Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>> today... >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok, that opens up a useful conversation..... >>>> >>>> Why is that? >>>> 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft >>>> antennas.allowed. >>>> I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I >>>> do >>>> 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not >>>> translating to larger deployment. >>>> I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft >>>> dishes. >>>> >>>> So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas? >>>> Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference? >>>> Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated? >>>> And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller >>>> antenna >>>> is "secondary" and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size >>>> antenna? >>>> >>>> The fact is.... 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused >>>> spectrum >>>> available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one >>>> tower >>>> or >>>> property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed. 6ft >>>> requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>> today... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with >>>>> 6GHz >>>>> that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz >>>>> freq >>>>> pair in some areas today. Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean >>>>> even >>>>> fewer available freq pairs. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brad >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>>> today... >>>>> >>>>> Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller >>>>> antennas >>>>> to >>>>> be allowed on 6Ghz. >>>>> Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz. >>>>> >>>>> The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t >>>>> hold >>>>> for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger.. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>>> today... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP... aren't >>>>>> there >>>>>> already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that >>>>>> have >>>>>> quite some range to them? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>>>> today... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Butch, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable >>>>>>> instead, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> said, "but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> very important part of broadband delivery".. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and >>>>>>> FCC >>>>>>> committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. >>>>>>> Atleast, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> know where we stand now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> fix, >>>>>>> if the FCC will allow it. All they have to do is waive the magic >>>>>>> wand >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> change "100mw" to "4w" (at least for non-adjacent channels), and >>>>>>> it'll >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> survive without adequate power. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "Wispa List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Cc: "WISPA Members List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>>>>> today... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our >>>>>>>> industry. In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but >>>>>>>> in his comments today he made a couple of statements that were >>>>>>>> "music to my ears". Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "White spaces are the blank pages on which we will write our >>>>>>>> broadband future." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't agree more. He also said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Today?s decision is consequential to our nation?s future because >>>>>>>> wireless broadband has the potential to improve our economy and >>>>>>>> quality of life in even the remotest areas." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again, when I heard this, I thought he must REALLY "get it". Then, >>>>>>>> he went on to say this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Unlicensed spectrum holds by far the most promise for maximizing >>>>>>>> the use of white spaces. Our balanced approach in this order >>>>>>>> provides the flexibility and low barriers to entry needed to >>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>> an opportunity for everyone to make the best use of this under-used >>>>>>>> spectrum. It also implements safeguards to protect those that >>>>>>>> already make valuable use of the spectrum." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WHAT? The "most promise"? I'm not horribly disappointed about the >>>>>>>> overall likely outcome of the rules, but how can he think that >>>>>>>> unlicensed at 100mW is going to "maximize the use" of anything? >>>>>>>> Unlicensed used has not been bad for us as WISPs in the past, but >>>>>>>> these power levels will not give us anywhere near the useful >>>>>>>> spectrum that the WISPA suggested "licensed lite" approach could >>>>>>>> have offered. I won't continue in disecting his statement since >>>>>>>> most of it was not something I am very positive about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All talk today centered around point-to-point deployments and >>>>>>>> nothing about ptmp. This is not a perfect scenario, but it's not a >>>>>>>> total loss. I strongly suggest that all interested parties (that's >>>>>>>> you if you are a WISP) at least read the statements and news >>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>> at http://www.fcc.gov/ and see for yourself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think the decisions were a total loss. We did get >>>>>>>> geolocation, which is very important to WISPA's position. We also >>>>>>>> got adjacent channel space, which was very unexpected. The only >>>>>>>> real problems I see are the lack of sufficient power, which is >>>>>>>> because they chose unlicensed over license lite. Our FCC committee >>>>>>>> worked very hard to get us to this point. I don't think any of us >>>>>>>> realize how much time Jack Unger and Steve Coran put into this >>>>>>>> issue >>>>>>>> on our behalf over the past 2-3 weeks. If you have not personally >>>>>>>> thanked them, you really should take a minute to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My personal take on this is that they wanted to do "something" but >>>>>>>> not too much. I think I sense a "new battleground" forming when >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> new commission takes over next year. It is for this reason, that I >>>>>>>> urge ALL OF YOU (me, too) to do 3 things over the next few months: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. If you are not already, become a WISPA member. We would not be >>>>>>>> at this point without your financial support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. If you have not already done so, become familiar with WHY the >>>>>>>> TVWS are (or will be) beneficial to you and your network. This >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> prepare you for the upcoming fight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. 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