Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?

[Travis Johnson]

Chuck, We don't use Canopy just because my competitors are using it. And really, any more, the customer doesn't care HOW the bandwidth gets delivered. So why not use a product that can deliver twice the bandwidth for 1/3 the price? ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: If you hang out over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] you will find more than a hundred WISPs, many of them very small operations from 100-1000 subscribers that are 100% canopy. And generally speaking they are kicking butt and taking names in their markets. I disagree that Canopy is not marketed to the smaller WISPS. It costs a little more to deploy but you earn it back with a fixed guaranteed latency, high priority for voip, 10 mbps burst and many other features that keep the customer happy and retained. Come to AF09 and see how Motorola markets to the smaller WISPS. Moreover their new 430 line delivers better performance for the price than Redline or Alvarion. And they are still innovating. While I will admit I have a vested interest in seeing Canopy continue to have legs, I don't think my opinions are unfounded. It is funny how the Canopy product line is so polarizing in this industry. I picked it entirely by chance. It was either Canopy or Proxim. I am glad I picked what I picked. Many others picked Trango. They are able to make it work and earn money. I know of some folks that abandoned Trango for Canopy. Don't personally know anyone who went the other way but I am sure that someone will educated me to that situation as soon as I press the send button. I don't understand human psychology well enough to even begin to explain why this is such a polarizing topic. Cognitive dissonance seems to come into play. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on the market: I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. Next = Mikrotik Next = Trango, Canopy, etc Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class as Trango and Canopy. So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last 2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. They service companies that are better funded, which typically means larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is better" mindframe. -- ******************************************************************** * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * ******************************************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

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