And the APEX is less expensive. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex > Daniel, > > I just got a quote back from Trango for the following: > > 18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU > 2ft dishes > 48v rack mount power supplies > > Total price = $9,800 > > Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same? > > Travis > Microserv > > > 3-dB Networks wrote: >> I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more >> Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably >> just prefer it that way. >> >> >> >> And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear was >> on >> sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did >> this >> the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same >> throughput >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> >> _____ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Having used the "voltmeter" vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the >> LED >> any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower, >> and >> a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link. >> >> And, I think we already did the "pricing" thing about 5 months ago, >> didn't >> we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a >> radio... >> ;) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber >> port >> in them? >> >> I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all >> happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer >> I >> was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the >> Trango >> Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did >> was >> install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... >> but >> I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. >> >> What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector >> hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to >> decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is >> about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with >> your >> hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was >> aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made >> reading >> the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, >> I >> simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I >> want. >> >> One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning >> 3ft >> dishes a bit easier... >> >> With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer >> special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage >> anyone >> to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with >> Dragonwave... >> from what I understand I can come damn close :-) >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex >> >> Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I >> thought >> >> I'd share my recent experience.... >> >> OK.... 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And.... >> it >> just freakin Worked! >> WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. >> >> I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3 >> ports, >> 1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband management >> on >> >> the GigE. >> What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports could >> be >> >> used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run >> stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connector instead if prefer. But >> I >> was extremely impressed at the flexibilty in options to install this. The >> alignment LED is also awesome, that is positioned in a convenient place >> and >> shows actual RSSI DB number, as it really speeds up install and made it >> possible for one person to accurately align it. >> >> Also note... The older Giga had some anoying firmware bugs last year in >> their Betas (typical of Beta), and I finally got around to upgrading to >> the >> latest firmwares. (I was 9 months overdue for the task) Guess what... All >> the problems are FIXED!! Atleast the ones I knew about. I was really >> pleased. I have to say this product line is REALLY coming along nicely. >> >> Only thing I caution to be aware of is.... It takes a while to fully >> understand the relationship of how well your link is performing in >> relation >> to what the MSE value of the radio is. MSE is the equivellent of >> measurement of SNR and distortion. And the ATPC and Adaptive Modulation >> thresholds are based on specific MSEs reached. The MSE feature/meter >> works >> good and accurately, it was just an issue of understanding how to >> interperate it. >> >> I was also impreseed on how fast they associate when they are taking out >> of >> opmode and back on in opmode. Its super quick. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Butch Evans" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >> >> I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" >> decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could >> support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it >> today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on >> the market: >> >> >> I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. >> I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I >> would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are >> that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. >> >> >> >> Next = Mikrotik >> Next = Trango, Canopy, etc >> >> >> Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class >> as Trango and Canopy. >> >> >> >> So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last >> 2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? >> >> >> I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened >> to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good >> example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is >> expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", >> but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are >> working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is >> available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. >> They service companies that are better funded, which typically means >> larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. >> >> I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't >> intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole >> would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is >> better" mindframe. >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! 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