ah, okay.

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From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:00 PM
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

> Yeah, I know.   It was just a happier time when they didn't exist is
> what I was trying to say :)
>
>
> Randy
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>> Heh... We started with Westnet here too!  Those were the days.  Then
>>> MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow.... starting with a full T1.... we started with a 256k fractional 
>>>> T1
>>>> from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>> Microserv
>>>>
>>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get 
>>>>> the
>>>>> $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to
>>>>> wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far 
>>>>> out
>>>>> of town as possible.  If you give it away at cost or just a bit above
>>>>> just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the 
>>>>> cloud
>>>>> and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your 
>>>>> turf
>>>>> is.  Just have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually
>>>>> the rock gives up.  We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
>>>>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>>>>   To: WISPA General List
>>>>>   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
>>>>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Chuck.... the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the
>>>>> port.... I've found $5/meg at the port.... the issue is getting it 
>>>>> from
>>>>> the port to your NOC. :(
>>>>>
>>>>>   Travis
>>>>>   Microserv
>>>>>
>>>>>   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>>>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>>>>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   http://www.nefiber.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
>>>>> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake 
>>>>> on
>>>>> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
>>>>> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
>>>>> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
>>>>> up.
>>>>> These guys do fiber in California
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can 
>>>>> do
>>>>> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>     Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
>>>>> providers
>>>>> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
>>>>> possibilities are in their areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web 
>>>>> sites.
>>>>>
>>>>> J Hodge
>>>>> 630.445.3779
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>>>>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>>>>>
>>>>> J Hodge
>>>>> 630.445.3779
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue
>>>>> on
>>>>> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with 
>>>>> only
>>>>> a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
>>>>> traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Travis
>>>>> Microserv
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           208.111.168.6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Travis Johnson
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Travis
>>>>> Microserv
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>> Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
>>>>> the
>>>>> bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but they
>>>>> have
>>>>> an open peering policy....  that'll happen when you're generating 1000
>>>>> Gbps
>>>>> of traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>   Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM
>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>>>
>>>>>     In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up
>>>>> to
>>>>> provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not
>>>>> only
>>>>> can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
>>>>> computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
>>>>> mainstream for many who have never used it.  Not to mention the super
>>>>> low cost of basically $9 bucks a month!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox
>>>>> 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs.  Soon as you hear, gigs, you
>>>>> may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end
>>>>> video
>>>>> stream.  So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are
>>>>> interested in how much bandwidth this service uses!   A
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp.   Feel
>>>>> free
>>>>> to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions!
>>>>>
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