That was the reason I went with 802.11 on Tranzeo in the first place. Yeah there are (insert 802.11 issues here) but at least I have the freedom to shop around. I wish vendors would use ingenuity and value rather than silly lock-ins to keep you.
ryan (writing this on an OSX machine... I pay more for more! Take heed vendors!) On Dec 14, 2008, at 12:17 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability? > > That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate > the idea > of getting orphaned. > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > <insert witty tagline here> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Lentz" <[email protected]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>; "Gino Villarini" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 > > >>> From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they >>> are >> manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq, there are >> hooks >> into all of the CPEs so that they are not cross-compatible. This >> might >> need >> clarification, but I was sure that this was the case in speaking with >> their >> guys. In other words, the Tranzeo / Redline CPEs work only with >> Redline, >> the >> Tranzeo / Vecima CPEs work only with Vecima. The Tranzeo CPEs >> direct from >> Tranzeo will not work with either .. This was done so that end- >> users don't >> shop around to piece together the system. >> >> I might be wrong, but I remember when I heard this described I did >> the >> whole >> "dog tilting it's head sideways" thing ... >> >> -drew >> >> >> On 12/13/08 5:32 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> it uses 802.03af PS ... >>> >>> My point was that you could use the low cost Vecima Bases with these >>> CPEs ... >>> >>> or stick with el cheapo tranzeo units .... Would you pay extra $50 >>> for a >>> quality cpe? I'll do >>> >>> Definetly Tranzeo does not manufacture this unit .... >>> >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> [email protected] >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>> [email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 >>> >>> >>> Ummmm.... pricing is WAY, WAY different. >>> >>> Redline AP's are around $10k >>> Vecima AP's are around $4k >>> >>> Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) >>> Vecima CPE's are less than $249 >>> >>> And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you >>> send >>> a picture of the Redline CPE? >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Gino Villarini wrote: >>> >>> iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the >>> Vecima >>> base.... >>> >>> >>> The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo >>> >>> mickey mouse stuff. >>> >>> >>> Afaik pricing is not much diferent >>> >>> >>> Gino >>> >>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>> >>> >>> On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:37 PM, "Travis Johnson" <[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We received our Vecima "trial" kit (one AP and five CPE) >>> on Thursday >>> afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there >>> were several >>> issues with their software on the AP... but here's some >>> info thus far: >>> >>> The base station is quite large. It measures >>> approximately 14 inches >>> tall x 8 inches wide x 6 inches thick. It weighs about >>> 25 pounds >>> (seriously). It has an RJ-45 ethernet connector and an >>> N-male >>> connector on the bottom. (I was lead to believe they had >>> omni, 90 >>> degree, 120 degree and connectorized versions, and I >>> requested the >>> 120 unit, but instead got this with an LMR jumper and an >>> MTI 120 >>> antenna). >>> >>> We began by getting into the AP and making some "normal" >>> changes >>> (downlink was set to 50%, so we changed it to 70%). Also >>> the center >>> frequency was set to 3.410 so we changed that to 3.650. >>> We also >>> changed to 7mhz channel size. We then applied and >>> rebooted... and >>> then we could no longer get into the "radio" >>> configuration page >>> (where we had just made all those changes). So we did a >>> factory >>> reset and tried again. Same thing. We opened a trouble >>> ticket with >>> Vecima the next morning, and they were able to reproduce >>> the problem >>> in their lab. Then about 3 hours later, another tech >>> called back and >>> told us we needed to upgrade the firmware (even though >>> the first >>> tech said we were running the latest). We upgraded and >>> that fixed >>> the problem... but then we had a new problem. The >>> "Allowed MAC >>> address" file somehow got corrupted... so they had to >>> SSH into the >>> base station and fix that file. (By the way, this AP is >>> just running >>> Linux 2.6.14 kernel). We were now able to make a >>> connection to one >>> of the CPE (after setting up the service classifiers, >>> service flows, >>> and adding a service flow to this MAC address). Making a >>> link on our >>> test bench (10 feet away), we had a -55ish signal... >>> however, the >>> ping times and speeds were terrible (2000ms and at the >>> most 2Mbps). >>> I am thinking it was because this is running OFDM and in >>> close >>> proximity, the signals bounce all over. Last, all three >>> techs that I >>> talked to at Vecima asked "Do you have an NMS (network >>> management >>> server)?" and I had to continually say "no" and then >>> they would say >>> "oh... I don't know how to do this manually". One of the >>> reasons we >>> were testing this solution is that it did not require >>> their NMS to >>> function... however, even their tech support is pretty >>> limited if >>> you don't have it. Their NMS server is about $5,000 (but >>> a single >>> server will support an entire network, with unlimited >>> AP's and CPE). >>> >>> On to the CPE: This is one of the worst designs of a CPE >>> that I have >>> ever seen. The entire unit is made by Tranzeo and looks >>> just like >>> their normal 2.4 CPE. It has the bar of lights on the >>> top showing >>> Power, LAN, RSSI, etc. The mounting bracket is the "L" >>> bracket that >>> bolts to the back and has a U-bolt and clamp to hook to >>> the pipe. >>> The biggest problem is how the ethernet cable connects. >>> It has the >>> white cover plate that goes over the RJ-45 connector >>> that has to be >>> bolted to the back of the radio... the problem is, the >>> pass-thru >>> connector is not big enough to allow an already crimped >>> RJ-45 cable >>> to pass thru... meaning, you have to run the cable thru >>> the white >>> plastic thing, then crimp it, then plug it in, and then >>> screw the >>> nuts down holding the white cover. If you ever have to >>> replace the >>> radio with something different, you have to cut the >>> cable and then >>> re-crimp. Also, I can guarantee that water is going to >>> get into the >>> RJ-45 as it is on the back of the radio and the water >>> will always be >>> trying to get into the white cover and then will just >>> "flow" right >>> into the RJ-45. I have attached a picture that is 99% >>> the same as >>> this unit (except this unit is smaller than the >>> picture). The other >>> issue is the PoE injector that comes with the unit. This >>> is the >>> worst PoE that I have ever seen. I don't understand why >>> they can't >>> use a grounded PoE that doesn't require a separate >>> ground wire. Use >>> the ground built into the electrical wiring that is >>> already there >>> (like the PacWireless PoE units). Attached is a picture >>> of the PoE >>> that was supplied. >>> >>> I will be testing the speeds and range this Monday >>> (assuming the >>> weather is better... we got 6" of snow and 40MPH winds >>> last night). >>> I will post more results as I have them. 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