Don't help if don't have the latest IOS firmware I would think. I must say I 
haven't used Cisco for a long time (replaced with ImageStream) and the few 
times I had to help customer that had a cisco that needed some configuration 
changes to deal with the internal routing we help setup with MikroTik it was 
always it seemed an older firmware and they customer know very little more then 
the username and password and ips to get in to the cisco. 
But glad Cisco is coming to the 21st century with decent provisioning tools and 
configuration tools which I been spoiled with Mikrotik every since I first 
started using it almost hmm 7 years ago. 

/Eje
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John J. Thomas" <jtho...@quarnet.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:36:31 
To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks


You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for 
routers, and the ASDM for ASA's.

John

>-----Original Message-----
>From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
>
>Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through 
>winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or 
>just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script 
>samples on wiki.mikrotik.com. 
>Like with any advanced networking product there is a little learning curve. 
>But reason why most people have problems getting a grip on MikroTik is that 
>their network knowledge is limited so they have problem understanding the 
>routing concept and understanding how ip works and flows with its source 
>ports, destination ports so they have issues creating firewall rules etc. On 
>the WISP-Training Mikrotik class (the training material Butch and me created) 
>the primary reason it was created was to teach how routing, sub netting and ip 
>flows worked and of course from a view point in how to configure this with 
>MikroTik. It's a whole lot easier to get running then say a Cisco router where 
>everything have to be CLI and firewalling rule creation imo is very cryptic 
>and not very straight forward. 
>
>/Eje Gustafsson
>CTO
>WISP-Router, Inc
>Bringing MikroTik to the masses since 2002. 
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>From: os10ru...@gmail.com
>
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 
>To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org>
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
>
>
>Mr. Burgess,
>
>       What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears  
>the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it  
>sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't  
>see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly  
>detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too  
>much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So  
>because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the  
>leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such  
>as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
>
>       Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that  
>bad?
>
>Greg
>On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
>> Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution.  Been there done that
>> and it works :)
>>
>> * -----------------------------------------------------------
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>> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>>> MT and a consultant ;)
>>>
>>> /me laughing while running for cover
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city  
>>> just for kicks.  Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get  
>>> my feet wet and have some fun.
>>>
>>> I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it  
>>> worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping  
>>> there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I  
>>> could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and  
>>> someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises  
>>> would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that  
>>> works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in  
>>> advance.
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>> PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and  
>>> how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play  
>>> which != MT.  (:
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