John,

If you really like the 340 cards I'll give you a great price on about
two dozen of them that I have pulled after replacing them with newer
equipment.

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
[email protected]
www.wabroadband.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector
Antennas

I understand that Cisco is expensive, but it does work. I have clients 
with Cisco Aironet 340's installed that are 7+ years old.
Is it the national pastime to beat on Cisco?

As for antennas, Superpass makes some that might work well for this
project

http://www.superpass.com/SP-MIMO-D1J1.html

http://www.superpass.com/MIMO-24.html

http://www.superpass.com/MIMO-5.html

John


3-dB Networks wrote:
> Right... N relies on MIMO... so antenna diversity is important.  In an
> indoor application this AP would have six small Omni antennas on it...
just
> inches apart from each other.  I don't think the exact placement of
the
> antennas is important, as long as the patterns overlap.  I've never
seen
> anything specifying the distances of antennas... but if someone knows
that
> would be great.
>
> Either way, a dual-band antenna would cut it from six sectors to
three...
> and not lose any of the benefits.  Might not be cost effective, but I
want
> to explore that.  I'd also hope that there would be an antenna out
there
> that already has the antenna diversity setup inside the antenna by
having
> three elements pointing the correct directions.  I wouldn't think
noise
> would be that big of an issue at the antenna since they will all be
> broadcasting on the same frequency anyways.
>
> As for what he is trying to accomplish... I wish I knew.  His
application
> does not require 802.11n speeds, it could require the MIMO near and
non-los
> properties... I think he wants 802.11n because it's the next thing.
Just
> like I don't think he should be using Cisco... but no IT guy has ever
been
> fired for deploying Cisco right :-)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:34 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector
>> Antennas
>>
>> I think the whole idea behind N is antenna diversity Daniel.
>>
>> Using less antennas means he'll get little or no benefit from the
>> system.
>> Might as well just run with a standard b/g system.
>>
>> I think antenna placement will also be critical for n.  I could be
>> totally
>> wrong here, but my guess is that there are specific distances between
>> antennas that are part of the magic of n.
>>
>> What's he hoping to accomplish?
>>
>> Better NLOS, better nLOS, better speed?
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "3-dB Networks" <[email protected]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:43 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Dual-band Sector Antennas/Multiple Input Sector
>> Antennas
>>
>>
>>     
>>> I'm helping someone design an antenna system to utilize the MIMO
>>> properties
>>> in 802.11n outdoors.  The Cisco box he wants to connect to has three
>>>       
>> 5GHz
>>     
>>> and three 2.4GHz outputs.  I'd rather avoid deploying six sector
>>>       
>> antennas
>>     
>>> (only need to cover about 120 degrees. so I figured three 90degree
>>>       
>> sectors
>>     
>>> ought to do it) so would like recommendations on :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -          Good dual-band 2.4GHz/5GHz antenna
>>>
>>> -          Good Sector antenna that has multiple inputs on the same
>>>       
>> band,
>>     
>>> same polarity (not sure if such a beast exists, but doesn't hurt
>>>       
>> asking!).
>>     
>>>
>>> V-pol is preferred, as the clients will have V-pol omnis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any help is really appreciated.  Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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