Most of my residential users use way more than my business users. The businesses do not allow for watching hulu, netflix, and YouTube when they are supposed to be working. I would have to almost reverse your 20/60 statement. In the last year or two, residential usage has gone way above the business usage in my area.
Scottie ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Charles Wu <[email protected]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:50:37 -0500 >Which begs an interesting point -- how much revenue / AP? > >I would think $5k / month for a 20 MHz chunk of 5.8 spectrum, while a bit on >the higher side, isn't an unreasonable goal > >Using Canopy...you have 14 Mb aggregate > >Selling for $50 / month residential -- that's 100 customers sharing 14 Mb >Splitting between $100 / month business and $50 / month residential (for >better traffic shaping) -- that's now > >20 business customers during the day time (8-5) >60 residential customers in the afternoon / evening (4-12) > >Now obviously, there will always be places where you're shooting into a hole, >or there aren't that many homes / business being covered, blah blah blah blah >-- but I don't think $5k / month / AP is an unreasonable goal > >Thoughts? Comments? > >-Charles > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >Of Scott Carullo >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:56 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed > > >This has been an outstanding thread I have enjoyed reading - and learned a >bit in the process... thanks. > >I'll just add that while we are trying to keep the numbers trained to a >common wisp - either you guys have a lucky horse shoe or achieving a >$5000/mo revenue on one ap is a bit outside the avg... At least for >discussion sake. But - even at 1/5th of that your argument still holds >true for the most part. Its just that you add in 900mhz (not as common) >and all the lower power 5Ghz spectrum available now, 2.4Ghz etc and also >mention you can run MT stuff on 10Mhz channels and you just effectively >doubled your options based on what type of clients you are servicing etc... > Then theres radios that have GPS sync for spectrum reuse etc and the >conversation starts to get a lot more complex :) > >But, in any case this has been an eye-opening discussion... > >Scott Carullo >Brevard Wireless >321-205-1100 x102 > >-------- Original Message -------- >> From: "Charles Wu" ><IMCEAEX-_O=CTI_OU=EXCHANGE+20ADMINISTRATIVE+20GROUP+20+28FYDIBOHF23SPDLT+29 >[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:47 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed >> >> >I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however. I've >> >got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but >> >only put out about 18-25meg at those distances. That's enough for me, > >> >but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that >> >within that narrow definition, a PTP600 would be better than a licensed > >> >link. >> >> Make no mistake, the PTP600, even though it's almost 5 years old, is >still one (if not the) best UL radio on the market from a pure >technological perspective -- no other radio has it's combination of 1024FFT >OFDM, Space-Time-Coding, MIMO, etc >> >> Makes you wonder what planet Motorola / Orthogon raided to get the >engineers who built that radio =) >> >> And I'm sure many on the list can attest to the wonderful things that a >PTP600 does / can do >> >> However, the discussion has to come back to the reality that we don't >work for the government (and can't print money or write stimulus bills on a >whim), and as a result, have to figure out a way to make a buck so we can >feed the dog, buy gas, pay for those ski trips in Utah... >> >> That said, we get back to "bang for buck" or "good enough" >> >> True, the PTP600 will generally work for all scenarios, but it's akin to >killing a bug with a nuclear warhead -- it's a lot more cost effective (and >there's less collateral damage) if you just step on it with your shoe >> >> So, for the 1% of times when you need to shoot 50+ miles while bouncing >off 2 different mountains, the PTP600 will be your best bet >> >> But for the other 90% of the time, when you have a 10-20 mile shot and >want something that reliable, carrier-class, and interference / spectrum >isn't an issue, many are using Mikrotiks / StarOS / Trango Atlas / name >your own cheap but decent proprietary Atheros-based system out there >> >> Now, I'm personally extremely cheap, but the argument is over because you >can't just look at up-front price because long-term cost is just as (if not >more) important when talking about WISP networks >> >> That said, being a slow day, it's worth exercising one's mind to analyze >possible "what-if" alternative situations -- bear with me here and follow >my logic here... >> >> The MOST VALUABLE ASSET of any WISP is HIGH POWER MULTIPOINT SPECTRUM >(b/c ultimately, it's the only thing that generates revenue, and like it or >not, the #1 determinant in valuing a WISP, or any business for the matter, >is EBITDA) >> >> In optimal conditions, there's 125 MHz of clean spectrum (6 channels) >> Assuming you can make $5k / month per AP (or channel) -- as spectrum gets >limited, the decision will ultimately boil down to >> >> 1. Pay $2k for a cheap Atheros based backhaul to bring 30 Mb to your >tower and lose 1 channel (or $5k / month in revenue) >> >> 2. Run that backhaul in turbo mode, get 50 Mb at your tower, and now lose >2 channels (or $10k / month in revenue) >> >> 3. Pay an extra $10k for a LICENSED BACKHAUL that frees up more spectrum >for multipoint, and never have to worry about interference on your backhaul >ever again -- and make an extra $5-10k / month b/c you can add more >customers on your tower >> >> Some food for thought =) >> >> -Charles >> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> WISPA Wants You! 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