What about Prism cards? How does one know the generation of card? On 7/1/09, e...@wisp-router.com <e...@wisp-router.com> wrote: > All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th > gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to > 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only > listen to 5 or 10MHz. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 > To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance > > > So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with > > Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) > Tranzeo > Ubiquiti > > But not.. > > StarOS > WARP > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Tom DeReggi > <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>wrote: > >> Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it "cloaking" instead >> of "small channels". :-) >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Baird" <m...@tc3net.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance >> >> >> > It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he >> > calls it "channel cloaking". >> > >> > Regards >> > Michael Baird >> >> StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming... >> >> >> >> On 7/1/09, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> WRAP/StarOSv2 >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh >> >>> Luthman<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? >> >>>> >> >>>> On 6/30/09, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that >> >>>>> supports >> >>>>> smaller channels. Egads, another items for my "to do list"! >> >>>>> Thanks! -RickG >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh >> >>>>> Luthman<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is >> >>>>>> only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get >> >>>>>> service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can >> use >> >>>>>> the smaller channels. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 6/30/09, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give >> >>>>>>> out >> >>>>>>> advise but here it goes anyway: >> >>>>>>> My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. >> Just >> >>>>>>> my two cents worth... >> >>>>>>> -RickG >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert >> >>>>>>> West<robert.w...@just-micro.com> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector >> >>>>>>>> antennas. >> >>>>>>>> It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest >> out >> >>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>> reach >> >>>>>>>> but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from >> >>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>> area >> >>>>>>>> asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I >> have >> >>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>> set >> >>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>> 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I >> guess >> >>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>>> be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that >> for >> >>>>>>>> sector? >> >>>>>>>> Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If >> >>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>> use >> >>>>>>>> 1 >> >>>>>>>> card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the >> >>>>>>>> 5.8 >> >>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>> use >> >>>>>>>> our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 >> >>>>>>>> slots >> >>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>> the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run >> >>>>>>>> this >> >>>>>>>> whole >> >>>>>>>> thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and >> >>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> backhaul? >> >>>>>>>> My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is >> >>>>>>>> running >> >>>>>>>> away >> >>>>>>>> from me............ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> >>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>>>>>>> On >> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM >> >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. >> >>>>>>>> From the website. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna >> offers >> >>>>>>>> 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The >> >>>>>>>> high >> >>>>>>>> gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder >> coat >> >>>>>>>> painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid >> >>>>>>>> design >> >>>>>>>> the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Michael Baird wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Marlon, >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors >> >>>>>>>>> specificatons. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical >> >>>>>>>>> beamwidth. >> >>>>>>>>> Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical >> >>>>>>>>> beamwidth. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then >> >>>>>>>>> again >> >>>>>>>>> it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I >> >>>>>>>>> believe >> >>>>>>>>> gain >> >>>>>>>>> not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but >> antenna >> >>>>>>>>> design. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>>>>> Michael Baird >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with >> >>>>>>>>>> GREATER >> >>>>>>>>>> coverage.... It takes half the coverage area go give you twice >> >>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>> power >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> (3DB of gain). >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h >> >>>>>>>> tm >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> laters, >> >>>>>>>>>> marlon >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Michael Baird" <m...@tc3net.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one. >> >>>>>>>>>>> The >> >>>>>>>>>>> previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the >> >>>>>>>>>>> Teletronics >> >>>>>>>>>>> 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db >> at >> >>>>>>>>>>> 6. >> >>>>>>>>>>> They >> >>>>>>>>>>> are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the >> >>>>>>>>>>> VSWR >> >>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>> because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo. >> >>>>>>>>>>> The >> >>>>>>>>>>> Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the >> >>>>>>>>>>> clients >> >>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple >> >>>>>>>>>>> tilt's >> >>>>>>>>>>> as >> >>>>>>>>>>> well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Baird >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that >> you >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> installed >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>> higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>> narrower >> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you >> >>>>>>>>>>>> installed >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark >> >>>>>>>>>>>> because >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a narrower vertical beam. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your >> VSWR >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> higher >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have >> >>>>>>>>>>>> sold >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>> few >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>> them with no complaints on it as far as I know. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for >> >>>>>>>>>>>> testing >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?), >> >>>>>>>>>>>> using >> >>>>>>>>>>>> same >> >>>>>>>>>>>> pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP >> side >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with >> this >> >>>>>>>>>>>> larger >> >>>>>>>>>>>> antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> exact >> >>>>>>>>>>>> same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>>>> forth. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too >> >>>>>>>>>>>> low >> >>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody >> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with this antenna, or these scenarios? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all >> >>>>>>>>>>>> across >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> board. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Baird >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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