What about Prism cards?  How does one know the generation of card?

On 7/1/09, e...@wisp-router.com <e...@wisp-router.com> wrote:
> All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th
> gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to
> 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only
> listen to 5 or 10MHz.
>
> /Eje
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54
> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
>
>
> So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with
>
> Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?)
> Tranzeo
> Ubiquiti
>
> But not..
>
> StarOS
> WARP
>
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> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Tom DeReggi
> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>wrote:
>
>> Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it "cloaking" instead
>> of "small channels". :-)
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Baird" <m...@tc3net.com>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
>>
>>
>> > It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he
>> > calls it "channel cloaking".
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Michael Baird
>> >> StarOS doesn't?  Huh didn't see that one coming...
>> >>
>> >> On 7/1/09, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> WRAP/StarOSv2
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh
>> >>> Luthman<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> What 802.11 gear doesn't?  Tranzeo maybe..?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 6/30/09, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that
>> >>>>> supports
>> >>>>> smaller channels. Egads, another items for my "to do list"!
>> >>>>> Thanks! -RickG
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh
>> >>>>> Luthman<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels.  I feel it is
>> >>>>>> only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get
>> >>>>>> service.  You cut interference in half and focus the power in half
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> bandwidth (bit more coverage!).  You can only use things that can
>> use
>> >>>>>> the smaller channels.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 6/30/09, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give
>> >>>>>>> out
>> >>>>>>> advise but here it goes anyway:
>> >>>>>>> My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels.
>> Just
>> >>>>>>> my two cents worth...
>> >>>>>>> -RickG
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert
>> >>>>>>> West<robert.w...@just-micro.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector
>> >>>>>>>> antennas.
>> >>>>>>>> It'll eventually go that way anyhow.  This spot is the farthest
>> out
>> >>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>> reach
>> >>>>>>>> but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> area
>> >>>>>>>> asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order.  I
>> have
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>> set
>> >>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>> 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I
>> guess
>> >>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>> be the home for them.  The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that
>> for
>> >>>>>>>> sector?
>> >>>>>>>> Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4.  If
>> >>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>> use
>> >>>>>>>> 1
>> >>>>>>>> card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the
>> >>>>>>>> 5.8
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> use
>> >>>>>>>> our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8
>> >>>>>>>> slots
>> >>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>> the 600a.  Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run
>> >>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>> whole
>> >>>>>>>> thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> backhaul?
>> >>>>>>>> My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is
>> >>>>>>>> running
>> >>>>>>>> away
>> >>>>>>>> from me............
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> >>>>>>>> On
>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM
>> >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain.
>> >>>>>>>>  From the website.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna*
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna
>> offers
>> >>>>>>>> 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The
>> >>>>>>>> high
>> >>>>>>>> gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder
>> coat
>> >>>>>>>> painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid
>> >>>>>>>> design
>> >>>>>>>> the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Michael Baird wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Marlon,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors
>> >>>>>>>>> specificatons.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical
>> >>>>>>>>> beamwidth.
>> >>>>>>>>> Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical
>> >>>>>>>>> beamwidth.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then
>> >>>>>>>>> again
>> >>>>>>>>> it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I
>> >>>>>>>>> believe
>> >>>>>>>>> gain
>> >>>>>>>>> not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but
>> antenna
>> >>>>>>>>> design.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Baird
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with
>> >>>>>>>>>> GREATER
>> >>>>>>>>>> coverage....  It takes half the coverage area go give you twice
>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>> power
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> (3DB of gain).
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h
>> >>>>>>>> tm
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> laters,
>> >>>>>>>>>> marlon
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Michael Baird" <m...@tc3net.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:32 PM
>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not ,the same downtilt angle, same percentage as the old one.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>>>>>> previous antenna was a Tranzeo 16db w/6 degree vertical, the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Teletronics
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 19db has a 8 degree vertical actually larger VB then the 16db
>> at
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 6.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> They
>> >>>>>>>>>>> are both at .3 degrees downtilt. The only reason I mention the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> VSWR
>> >>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> because the teletronics VSWR is 1.1:4, vs 1.5 on the Tranzeo.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Teletronics is down about 6db on the CPE side for all the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> clients
>> >>>>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> test sector, on the AP side it's the same. I tested multiple
>> >>>>>>>>>>> tilt's
>> >>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> well, between 0-1 degree was the best on the CPE side.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Baird
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> First thing that comes to my mind reading your post is that
>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> installed
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> higher gain antenna which means your vertical beam is going
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> narrower
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (sometimes higher gain is not always better). Being that you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> installed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> antenna with the same down tilt angle your missing the mark
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a narrower vertical beam.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for the VSWR nothing really considered too low. If your
>> VSWR
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> higher
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then 1.5:1 then you have a problem for sure.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally never used or tested TT's 15-124 antenna but have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> sold
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> few
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them with no complaints on it as far as I know.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:33 AM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I picked up a Teletronics 15-124 19db horizontal antenna for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> testing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> deployed it in place of a Tranzeo 16db Horizontal (TilTek?),
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> using
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> same
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pigtail and radio. With the clients on this sector, the AP
>> side
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> same, but the CPE receive side seems to have suffered with
>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> larger
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> antenna. Nothing was changed other then the antenna, aimed to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exact
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> same degree, tilted the same percentage of vertical tilt, and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> so
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> forth.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking the antenna isn't very good, or it's VSWR is too
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> low
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting some power reflected from the antenna. Anybody
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with this antenna, or these scenarios?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I expected this bigger, more expensive antenna to gain all
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> across
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> board.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Baird
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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