I absolutely agree. The open access stuff really only has meaning for us on fiber where total capacity is functionally unlimited in a new build out.
Chuck On Sep 19, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > The issue is that access to bandwidth can only be sold if it is still > available and not already sold to someon else. > > Open Access is very relevent for fiber networks, but for wireless > middle > mile grants, it will be very easy to simply say the capacity has > been sold > already. > > Example: > Grant winner builds out 300mbps licensed link. Grant winner agrees > to open > access. Grant winner sells 300mbps of capacity to Wholesale partner. > Grant winner no longer has to sell bandwidth to anyone else, its > already all > been sold. Wholesale partner reserves it all, and sells it to subs as > ordered over time. The grant winner itself is subject to the sharing > rules, > but the wholesale partner that capacity was sold to, will not > necessarilly > be subject to sharing. I see so many possibilities for games, to > control > who does and doesn't get access to the bandwidth. > > In our unsubmitted application, we legitimately wanted multiple > wholesale > partners, and pre-defined who we'd sell it to, and pre-allocated > capacity > for that. > I'm not so sure other grant applicants equally embrace the wholesale > open > access principles. In my mind, I think history should be the ruling > factor. > If someone preveiously whoesaled, they are likely to continue > wanting to > wholesale. If they didn;t before, they probably wont want to > afterwords, and > will likely play games. Just my opinion. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Wu" > <IMCEAEX-_O=CTI_OU=EXCHANGE+20ADMINISTRATIVE+20GROUP > +20+28fydibohf23spdlt+29_cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects > > >>> In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million >>> bucks to >>> provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper >>> broadband to the >>> masses. That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper >>> broadband >>> is for their system. >> >> If it's a middle mile application, they would be in violation of >> their >> funding contract if they bandwidth wasn't available to you for the >> same >> price that they're buying it for -- IMO, you would win either way >> >> 1. You get access to cheap bandwidth for the same price as them >> 2. They deny you access, you report them to the government, they get >> audited, shut down, thrown in jail, you have one less competitor, >> and you >> get to buy their system for pennies on the dollar =) >> >> -Charles >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:28 PM >> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >> >> Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't >> really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want >> you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on. >> >> For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in >> for you to attach at a given location. If there isn't one nearby, >> well >> tough. >> >> If there is an attachment point but you can't come to terms, it goes >> to arbitration. However, they aren't obligated to give you wholesale >> access...just "attachment", whatever the heck that means. There just >> seems to me to be 100 ways to Sunday for a large carrier to play >> their >> usual games with this stuff and block the intent. >> >> So basically, based on the wording of the rule, it's hard to see how >> they are going to achieve the intent behind the goal unless the >> provider is willing to and interested in doing so. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >> >>> Does the process explicitly say that an awarded company has to open >>> their network to competition? Or is this sort of a vague rule? >>> >>> Scottie >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:11 -0400 >>> >>>> There is no provision in the rules to protest a plan because you >>>> don't >>>> think it's a good plan. >>>> >>>> In fact, there's an OMB circular (from July I believe) that >>>> explicitly >>>> disallows ANY communication until the evaluation process is over >>>> about >>>> individual applications with the grant reviewers OR the agency over >>>> anything except for contesting an application due to your coverage >>>> area. I don't think I kept a copy of that circular, but I'm sure >>>> you >>>> can find it on line. >>>> >>>> The only exception is if they reach out to you-but they are >>>> instructed >>>> to ignore and refuse any other input. They are bound by law on >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Just to be clear here, you *could* talk to them in very general >>>> terms >>>> about how the application process worked. But you cannot talk in >>>> any >>>> form about an individual application, yours or anyone else's. >>>> >>>> It might sound like I'm nay-saying here, but I'm just pointing out >>>> what the law allows you to do-and it doesn't allow the approach >>>> you're >>>> suggesting as I understood the circular. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Its also feasible to protest a plan simply because its a poor >>>>> plan. >>>>> The >>>>> NTIA/RUS needs to approve grants for companies that use tax payer >>>>> money >>>>> optimally wisely and benefit the public, and >>>>> adhere to the NOFA rules. If you think you can do a better plan, >>>>> but didn;t >>>>> have time to submit it until Round2, why should the ROund1 plan >>>>> get >>>>> approved >>>>> if its less good? >>>>> And if one doubts the entent of an applicant, we should tell NTIA >>>>> what we >>>>> think. We are not only competing providers, but we are also the >>>>> public that >>>>> has to pay the taxes 5to fund these projects. >>>>> >>>>> I know in my State, there were numerous good applications that >>>>> targeted >>>>> truely needy areas, and made an effort to avoid other provider >>>>> infrastructure. I plan to support those projects. >>>>> For example only about 20% in my opinion were bad applications >>>>> that >>>>> would >>>>> directly compete with me and other WISPs in their core markets. I >>>>> plan to >>>>> protest that 20%. Anyone that was smart would have avoided pre- >>>>> existing >>>>> providers or called them a head of time to work benefit for them >>>>> into the >>>>> proposal to gain their support. If they didn't do that, they >>>>> deserve to >>>>> have their applications protested, in my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> As well, if a grant application covers an area that you entended >>>>> on >>>>> applying >>>>> for in Round2, I see no problem in telling NTIA/RUS that, and >>>>> advising that >>>>> the Round1 funds are oversubscribed, and Round1 funds should go to >>>>> projects >>>>> without alledged conflict of interests first, and at minimum deny >>>>> the >>>>> conflcit of interest applicants until round2, where they can be >>>>> mroe >>>>> fairly >>>>> considered, and so there is more time to gain fact on what is and >>>>> isn't >>>>> underserved areas, and consider all potential applicants for the >>>>> areas. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "L. Aaron Kaplan" <aa...@lo-res.org> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:19 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously? You would categorize government-subsidized broadband >>>>>>> expansion >>>>>>> as capitalistic competition? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I should have said - receiving some funds and thus increasing the >>>>>> speed of biz expansion. >>>>>> I see nothing un-capitalistic per se about receiving funds in >>>>>> order >>>>>> to >>>>>> revive the economy. >>>>>> >>>>>> The real question however is, will *only* the big boys get >>>>>> something >>>>>> thus driving the smaller boys out of biz! >>>>>> (maybe that is the case in the original posting and I just did >>>>>> not >>>>>> know it). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *If* the stimulus package would be needed in the first place >>>>>> however, >>>>>> is of course a completely different topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> But seems like I just put my fingers into a wound. 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