Butch, > This has never been an issue for > me. Nobody has ever asked. I know, without question, that WISPCON, > ISPCON, MUM, IT Expo and COMDEX do not require this
Well, I can tell you for ISPCON it was standard proceedure, and the release document was in the speaker package online that was supposed to be signed. I actually remember one case, when I was on the advisory committee, where Tim Sanders was unwilling to sign, because all his presentations were copywrited, and he was given permission not to have to share his slides. > Yeah, so what? You mean to say that if you just tell them "we aren't > recording", they will reveal something that they would not do if a > session were being recorded? How can you assure them that their > competitors would not be in attendance at the LIVE seminar? Oh, wait, > you can't. Maybe they will be no more likely to reveal corporate > secrets whether recorded or not. Wait, that last sentence is EXACTLY > what I said the first time. Maybe this time you will read the rest of > the message. Most professional that put on Webinars require that the attendees identify themselves to register, so Vendors do know who is in the audience. (Good examples are Alvarion Webinars). > 1. IF this is a session being promoted by WISPA for it's membership, > then any vendor asked to present should be TOLD that we WILL be > recording and providing the session for current and FUTURE members. > > 2. IF any vendor cannot live with reality number 1, then they should not > be allowed to participate in these sessions. I guess the difference between you and me is that I dont just "tell them the way its going to be". I generally work with my partners to ask and discuss how we can make the event better to meet the needs of both parties. If we make it to much of a hassle, they'll just do their own Webinars their own way. Anyway, this is an open list that includes vendors. I haven't heard any vendors chime in with objections, so maybe they are fine with Archiving. But again, I never said archiving wasn't a good idea, just initially the approach was flawed. There is a more clear approach now. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch Evans" <but...@butchevans.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webinar Announced > On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 01:48 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: >> How in the world could you distort my comment to mean "vendors are evil"? >> I made a comment to PROTECT Vendors' interests. > > Here is exactly what I responded to: > >> On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 16:26 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: >> >> If a vendor knows the webinar is public archived, they may hold back >> >> important information to protect their strategic interests. > > The idea that a vendor will "hold back important information" is just > silly. > My comment may have been overly "strong", and, if so, I apologize if you > feel I distorted your statement. Either way, your later comments did not > make me (as a vendor) feel like you were attacking (where this one, along > with MANY of your posts) did/do. > >> It is common practice for radio manufacturers to keep the details of >> their >> products confidential from other competitors in the market space. > > Yeah, so what? You mean to say that if you just tell them "we aren't > recording", they will reveal something that they would not do if a > session were being recorded? How can you assure them that their > competitors would not be in attendance at the LIVE seminar? Oh, wait, > you can't. Maybe they will be no more likely to reveal corporate > secrets whether recorded or not. Wait, that last sentence is EXACTLY > what I said the first time. Maybe this time you will read the rest of > the message. > >> Atleast 50% of the manufacturers I have delt with over the years have >> asked >> for NDAs before sending me a manual, detailed feature set, or price >> sheet. > > Not sure who you've dealt with, but MOST of the vendors (in particular, > UBNT, who we are talking about for the first session) posts this > information on their website. > >> It is ONLY RESPECTFUL to ask the vendors presenting whether they DO or DO >> NOT want their Q&A / presentations archived. > > 1. IF this is a session being promoted by WISPA for it's membership, > then any vendor asked to present should be TOLD that we WILL be > recording and providing the session for current and FUTURE members. > > 2. IF any vendor cannot live with reality number 1, then they should not > be allowed to participate in these sessions. > > This is really a simple formula to follow. That is, after all, the > whole purpose for WISPA promoting these events. > >> These presentations are Q&A where the vendors are likely to get >> blind-sided >> by questions that they might not be prepared to answer optimally. >> Q&A is great for the WISP attendees, but the vendor may not want their >> non-optimal unprepaired answers to be the ones Posted to the wide world >> of >> Membership to permanently judge them by. > > This is pretty simple, too. The archives will be placed on a WIKI. > That being the case, we can simply permit the vendors to make comments > directly below the link to the recording. > >> As a matter of fact, every conference that I have ever spoken at, had a >> proceedure for getting a paper signed that the presentation would or >> wouldn't be able to be archived for future read. > > I have spoken at a LOT of conferences. This has never been an issue for > me. Nobody has ever asked. I know, without question, that WISPCON, > ISPCON, MUM, IT Expo and COMDEX do not require this. Many of those > record (or did) sessions. I have never signed a release. > >> I didn't say archiving was a BAD idea? I didn't say Vendors wouldn't want >> it >> done. I said we shouldn't assume they do and archive it without >> permission >> or release. > > Read my 2 points above. If someone does not want to offer this as a > member benefit, then they should participate in WISPA in another way. > It seems pretty simple to me. > > -- > ******************************************************************** > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * > * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * > ******************************************************************** > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! 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