Amen Brother! But, I'm not sure the new choices are much better.We need a
few good men!

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Brad Belton <b...@belwave.com> wrote:

> Vote 'em out!  I'm speaking of any representative regardless of party
> affiliation that has voted for government run health care.  They clearly
> aren't listening to the people they represent.  Look closely at the
> incumbent's voting record and listen to the challenger's ideas during the
> primaries.
>
> I know I won't be voting for very many incumbents come next year and will
> be
> looking to help put representation in place that reflects ideas and values
> that I agree with.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance
>
> That's right - government cant be the answer. Your questions are viable. We
> need to speak up and many have but unfortunately either they are not
> listening or dont care. I've not found anyone that wants the government
> running health care or even an "option". This includes many low wage
> earners
> I am acquainted with. So, I know where the people are who are against the
> bill but where are the proponents at?
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Paul C Diem <pcd...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>
> > Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded
> > program will do.
> >
> > Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is
> > gets
> > me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about
> this:
> >
> > 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the
> > insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free
> > enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is
> > averaging
> > a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a
> > competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a
> great
> > $75 billion/year?
> >
> > 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health
> > care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance
> industry.
> > How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free
> > enterprises in any industry?
> >
> > Paul C Diem
> > pcd...@foxvalley.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance
> >
> >
> > I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty
> > and
> > not that it's an "extra tax". Either way I'd have insurance on my
> vehicles.
> > I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our
> > health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged
> not
> > to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up
> > there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I
> > had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live
> &
> > kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want
> > any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is
> why
> > it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of
> > mine used to say "follow the dollar". Thats what needs to be fixed. Then
> > our
> > health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected.
> > -RickG
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott <rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care
> > > system.  One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare.
> > > If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or
> > > want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private
> > > services."
> > >
> > > That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I
> > > am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the
> > > poor-house.
> > >
> > > I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients
> > > (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to
> > > the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on
> > > someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to
> > > a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the
> > > financial burden of going to the
> > > hospital.
> > >
> > > I am more than happy to pay for "extra" medical services. Whatever
> > > those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy
> > > extra insurance
> > > riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands
> > on
> > > top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle.
> > >
> > > Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for
> > > vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to "pay that
> > > extra tax" to drive your car?
> > >
> > > Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much...
> > >
> > > ryan
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke
> > > <nstooke...@wisperisp.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > >        I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that
> > > > started WedMD years back.  He was starting another company that
> > > > worked with the insurance flow of paper work.  He said several times
> > > > that 70% to 80% of
> > > the
> > > > insurance premiums we pay go to the "middle" man and not to pay for
> > > > the doctors services.
> > > >
> > > >        My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health
> > > > care system.  One of the fastest growing industries is private
> > > > healthcare.  If you want better service or do not want to wait in
> > > > huge lines or want to
> > > go
> > > > to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services.
> > > >
> > > >         Thanks
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM
> > > > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance
> > > >
> > > > Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates
> > > > (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that
> > > > make a great deal of
> > > > sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses...
> > > >
> > > > The original point was,
> > > >   Health Care Insurance is a necessity.
> > > >   Health Care Insurance should be a vital benefit, provided by an
> > > Employer
> > > > whenever possible.
> > > >   Health Care Insurance is expensive....
> > > >
> > > >   So, How do you set up this benefit so that it makes sense for all
> > > > (Employer and Employee).
> > > >
> > > >   There are a number of very effective ways to do this, rather than
> > > > the drastic options to convert Employees to Contractors...
> > > >
> > > >   BTW, if you Talk to you Accountant, they will also tell you that
> > > > simply paying someone on a 1099 as a Contractor, does not make them
> > > > a contract employee.... There are other 'litmus' tests used to
> > > > determine the exact status, in-case someone challenges the status
> > > > quo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > > Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
> > > > Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:06 PM
> > > > To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance
> > > >
> > > > Ahhhh... now we know.... it's Florida that is causing everyone
> > > > else's insurance rates to go up... :)
> > > >
> > > > We pay about $700/month to cover an entire family (this is just
> > > > health insurance, the dental and vision is extra).
> > > >
> > > > Travis
> > > > Microserv
> > > >
> > > > Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> > > > > As a business owner, in Florida, where the Health Insurance is one
> > > > > of the highest in the US, we have seeing 15-20% increses every
> > > > > year for the last few years.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is nice to see that you offer 100% health insurance coverage
> > > > > for all of your Employees, where the company is picking up the Tab
> > > > > for the Insurance Premiums.
> > > > >
> > > > > Simply for the sake of my understanding, why would you choose to
> > > > >
> > > > >  " force us to go to a subcontractor type work-force (at least for
> > > > > 5-10 of our current employees) to get us under the 25 employee
> > > > > limit
> > > and
> > > > ..... "
> > > > > offer less benefits for everyone in the company "
> > > > >
> > > > > At the end of the day, $412 / employee is not a whole lot of
> > > > > money, especially when you are talking about a benfit like Health
> > > > Insurance.......
> > > > > If you are looking to have some means of off-setting the
> > > > > additional $$$, would'nt it me easier and better for everyone if
> > > > > you reduced your Company provided 100% coverage to let's say 90%,
> > > > > and have the Employee pay the other 10% ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What are your current costs for Health Insurnace ?   We are seeing
> > > > typically
> > > > > $300-$400 / month for a single male, and $1300-$1450 /month for a
> > > > > family
> > > > >
> > > > > >From what we have been seeing in the last few years, including
> > > > > >our present
> > > > > coverage increase (approx $8100/year for 3 families)... $412 /year
> > > > > increase would be a Blessing and a Christmas present...
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > > > Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
> > > > > Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > > > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:50 PM
> > > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > > Subject: [WISPA] health insurance
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > What are everyone else's plans if this new health insurance plan
> > > > > gets passed in Congress? We fall in the 25-100 employee category,
> > > > > so they are estimating our health insurance costs would go up $412
> > > > > per employee for us (we already cover 100% of the costs for our
> > > > > employees). So, basically this would force us to go to a
> > > > > subcontractor type work-force (at least for 5-10 of our current
> > > > > employees) to get us under the 25 employee limit and offer less
> > > > > benefits for everyone in the
> > > > company.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once again, it seems our government is stepping in where it
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > belong.
> > > > > Either take over the health care system 100% (including funding
> > > > > it), or leave it alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > Travis
> > > > > Microserv
> > > > >
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