Yeah, the VA's healthcare.. there's a system we all should want.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:24 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > Why not? Just extend what is already in place with Medicare and enroll > people region by region. While at it, lump the other government single > payer plans into it like the VA and Railroad Workers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:15 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > > No, not that simple... > > On 12/7/09, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >> Exactly. We are the one and only industrialized country (with whatever >> industry we might have left) who puts "profit" in healthcare. As you >> stated, their goal is to NOT pay and they can and do come up with >> anything >> they can find to do that. >> >> Profit has no place in healthcare. Single payer is the only thing I see >> working. As far as increased taxes to pay for it, we already are paying > for >> it and getting zero bang for our buck. As George from the great white > north >> said, healthcare shows up nowhere in his budget. They just pay extra in >> taxes. >> >> Medicare for all. End of the controversy. Simple. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Tom Sharples >> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... >> >> One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical insurance, > as >> >> currentlky implemented, is fundamentally flawed. Consider selling ISP >> services under the model of "broadband insurance." Under that model, your >> customer would pay you a certain amount per month in case he needs >> broadband, and you would do your best to find reasons to deny him access. > Or >> >> how about "housing insurance" instead of monthly rent. You pay the > landlord >> a certain amount every month in case you need shelter and he > oversubscribes >> a number of his units and hires guards to keep people out on various >> pretexts. Sound completely ridiculous, yet unless you're in an HMO like >> Kaiser that's the system we have now. >> >> What we need is universal (private or public) access to medical care, >> healthy lifestyle incentives, and the elimination of stupid laws that >> only >> serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs to US >> consumers, restrict free-market access across state and international >> lines,create incentives toward excess consumption and CYA medical > pratices, >> and only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription > drugs >> to US consumers. >> >> Tom S. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... >> >> >>> Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not truly > run >>> in a "free market". It's "failure" is exactly due to this. Even after >>> all >>> the government rules and regulations, who in the USA does not have >>> "access" >>> to health care? >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, David E. Smith <d...@mvn.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 16:42, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: >>>> >>>> > The free market really does work. We use it daily in our >>>> > business... >>>> > Now >>>> >>>> imagine if we used it for health care, too. We know how to do that, >>>> don't >>>> > we? >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a fundamental difference between broadband Internet and basic >>>> medical care, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans have > better >>>> access to the former than the latter shows that in this instance the > free >>>> market has failed miserably. >>>> >>>> David Smith >>>> MVN.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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