True but I see the personal attacks starting to creep in and that's not good. We are all basically friends and everyone knows that politics and religion can tear that apart. I'd do anything for each and every one of you regardless and just because a person believes one way and not yours doesn't make then an all around bad guy. Love thy neighbor regardless, it makes for an easier life.
Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff LeBoeuf Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... And I was just headed back to my desk to commend the individuals that have been participating in this discussion on how well they have stayed away from personal attacks on such a polarizing issue that we are all faced with today. Perhaps not directly related to WISPA, most definitely related indirectly. I, for one, gained some insight reading... Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. From: Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:38:26 -0800 To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... IMO, this thread is getting pretty far off track and is wasting both time and WISPA resources. I respectfully request that everyone please consider the value in getting back to work and releasing this list for more productive WISP-focused usage. jack RickG wrote: > > Well, this discussion is about what is coming , not what we have but to make > you happy - stop Medicare, Social Security, and shut down the VA hospitals! > VA patients would be much better served in the private sector with much less > waste. > Medicare & Social Security: The biggest pyramid scheme in history. Let me > keep invest in my retirement for myself. > Sheesh! Mankind made it without those programs before they existed why not > now? > -RickG > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Owen Harrell <o...@essex1.com> > <mailto:o...@essex1.com> wrote: > > > >> >> I keep reading what everyone is saying about government and >> insurance, but I don't really believe you. Most of you say that you are >> against the government getting involved in health care, that it is a >> Socialist idea. What I haven't heard is any of you saying you wanted to >> stop >> Medicare or Social Security or shut down the VA hospitals. Why not? These >> are Socialist programs. These are Government run programs with no choice to >> purchase it from the private market. Why haven't you said to stop those >> programs? You say you believe in the Free Market, but I do not see you >> asking to stop regulating electricity, or natural gas. Only if we let these >> companies truly charge whatever they wanted to would it be a free market. >> Most of you claim to be Christians, but you do not really believe what you >> preach. A true Christian always wants to help those that are less fortunate >> than yourself. Well I believe that includes health care. Or does it mean >> you >> can pick and choose who should be helped and who shouldn't. Yes, I have had >> insurance almost my whole life. Some was paid for by my employer, some has >> been paid for by myself. What I have seen is premiums go up every year. >> However, the health of this nation ranks in the 30's among other nations. >> We >> live 3-7 years less than countries with health care. Does that mean >> National >> Health Care will be perfect? I do not think so. That would be like me >> asking >> you if your Wireless was up 100% of the time. You would have to either say >> no, or lie to me. I do not believe there is such a thing as perfect, but if >> you never try to achieve perfection, you sure as hell will never come close >> to reaching it. I also notice how everyone seems to know how the government >> will run Health Care and what is being done wrong. How do you know these >> things when there is not even a completed bill in the Senate yet? Last I >> knew, they were still debating what should and what shouldn't be a part of >> it. Some say we should throw the bill in the Senate away, and start over. >> Maybe they should have been there when it started. These are the >> congressmen >> you should be pissed at. They elected not to participate in the beginning, >> and now want to cry foul and ask to start over. These are just my two cents >> on the subject, and because you are still in America, you have the right to >> disagree, not read this at all and delete it, or respond. Well, I guess if >> you have read the last line, you now only have two choices left, hurry and >> decide before there is only one left. >> >> Owen Harrell >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Paul C Diem >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:26 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... >> >> Yup, in the past century, America stopped being the land of opportunity and >> became the land of guarantees. >> >> Paul C Diem >> pcd...@foxvalley.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... >> >> >> Oh boy, here we go. >> >> Even more important is water and food. How about electricity, >> transportation, entertainment etc. etc. etc. >> >> NOTHING is a basic human right past opportunity. The CHANCE to make our >> own direction is all that God has given us. >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David E. Smith" <d...@mvn.net> <mailto:d...@mvn.net> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... >> >> >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 18:06, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not >>>> truly >>>> run >>>> in a "free market". It's "failure" is exactly due to this. Even after >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> all >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> the government rules and regulations, who in the USA does not have >>>> "access" >>>> to health care? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I suppose we're taking fundamentally different approaches to the issue >>> of health care. I don't see it as one that can (or should) be solved >>> by the free market - as far as I'm concerned, it's a fundamental human >>> right. No person, anywhere on this planet, should have to worry about >>> things like "money" when it comes to basic health and wellness. The >>> fact that even one American (or anyone else really, but this is a >>> US-centric list) doesn't, in my mind represents a deep-rooted failure >>> of the free market, and of basic human kindness and compassion. >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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