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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote:

> Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus.
>
> OSU grad, Stuart?
>
> I like the town too.  A lot less than a cow town as it used to be.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
>
> Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village,
> Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus.
>
> Oh food, wine and song as well.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Date:  Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500
>
> >I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an
> >ISPCon event.  I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better
> >than ISPCon.  As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon
> >don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does.  I could care less if
> >it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides:
> >
> >1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium,
> >or small.
> >2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche
> >in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just
> >any vendor.
> >3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with
> >home to make sure business continues.
> >4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a
> >plus.
> >5) Be reasonable in price.  $250 is WAYYYYY too much for me to attend as
> >an ISP to a tradeshow.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Chuck Hogg
> >Shelby Broadband
> >502-722-9292
> >ch...@shelbybb.com
> >http://www.shelbybb.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> >Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Cc: wispas...@wispa.org
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
> >
> >Hi Matt,
> >
> >I'm moving this back to the show list.  I still request that wispashow
> >emails reply to that list not the public one :-).
> >
> >Anyway, I understand what you are saying.  As our local Chamber of
> >Commerce
> >president here's my latest project:
> >http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek
> >
> >Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work.  Herding
> >the
> >cats as it were...  It's certainly quite a bit of work.
> >
> >We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week.  On the
> >weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000
> >people.
> >http://www.stumpjumpers.org
> >
> >The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off.  There is a race
> >chairman
> >and a vice.  This year's vice becomes next year's chairman.  Much of the
> >
> >physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all
> >
> >over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle
> >ranch.
> >
> >I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2
> >or 3
> >people would certainly hurt our chances of success.  If we can't get the
> >
> >help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc.
> >we
> >need to find a different way.
> >
> >So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list.  Perhaps
> >we
> >do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort.
> >
> >Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting
> >some
> >kind of show expectation and outline.  How many people are expected, how
> >
> >many vendors, do we want more training or display?  How many speakers do
> >we
> >want?  Who should speak?
> >
> >Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show
> >or
> >one done by someone else.
> >
> >I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others).  I've been to car
> >shows and gun shows.  By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate
> >settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot.  I
> >
> >don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of
> >that.  I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and
> >spend time with my peers.
> >
> >My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy
> >
> >show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that
> >they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a "teaching"
> >track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the
> >
> >overall nature of our business.
> >
> >Having said all of that.  My plate is already as full as I want it.
> >I'll
> >not be putting  my time where my mouth is.  grin  I'm here to help with
> >thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever
> >way
> >the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move.
> >
> >Thanks for taking the lead on this!
> >marlon
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com>
> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
> >
> >
> >> All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your
> >assumptions.
> >>
> >> I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of
> >> putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on
> >that
> >> process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our
> >own
> >> show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some
> >> potential as a fund raiser.
> >>
> >> What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed
> >to
> >> put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show
> >and
> >> then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not
> >scale
> >> up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right
> >> now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in
> >the
> >> day.
> >>
> >> Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are
> >willing
> >> to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
> >> that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP
> >> business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show
> >> that our members would all like to go to.    They are going to do it
> >on
> >> a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can
> >spread
> >> WISPAs message beyond our own little community.    Those are strong
> >> positives.
> >>
> >> Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to
> >> the project.    Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.
> >We
> >> will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it
> >isn't
> >> really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements
> >go
> >> far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have
> >a
> >> staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it
> >done
> >> more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of
> >doing
> >> on our own.
> >>
> >> All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" so
> >> that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to
> >> happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to
> >> get a show put on.
> >>
> >> Matt Larsen
> >> vistabeam.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >>> forwarding to the list.
> >>>
> >>> Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list
> >rather
> >>> than to the sender?  Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We
> >need
> >>> our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.
> >>>
> >>> Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.
> >I
> >>> believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more
> >>> intimate
> >>> etc.
> >>>
> >>> I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the
> >year.
> >>> It
> >>> shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together.  We
> >know
> >>> who the vendors and attendees would be.  And we know, basically, what
> >
> >>> would
> >>> need to be presented.
> >>>
> >>> The members want a show.  The vendors want a show.  Someone just has
> >to
> >>> DO a
> >>> show.
> >>>
> >>> If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes
> >things.
> >>> I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for
> >here
> >>> right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now.
> >>>
> >>> laters,
> >>> marlon
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <li...@manageisp.com>
> >>> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Marlon,
> >>>> The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts
> >into
> >>>> his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both
> >
> >>>> sides
> >>>> are happy with the performance of his show.
> >>>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit
> >>>> sharing.   They put in the money and the manpower, they get the
> >profit,
> >>>> if
> >>>> there is any.   Our goal in this is to build up our membership
> >numbers
> >>>> and
> >>>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out
> >
> >>>> about
> >>>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members.
> >>>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we
> >
> >>>> will
> >>>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show.
> >>>> Also,
> >>>> it should cost us little or no money.
> >>>> Matt Larsen
> >>>> vistabeam.com
> >>>> Marlon K. Schafer writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How
> >>>>> clear
> >>>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our
> >own
> >>>>> show
> >>>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't end
> >up
> >>>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show?
> >Where
> >>>>> there is no profit to split?
> >>>>> marlon ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com>
> >>>>> To: <wispas...@wispa.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and
> >>>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to
> >work
> >>>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with
> >WISPA
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show.
> >>>>>> The details are yet to be worked out.   What has been discussed so
> >far
> >>>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional
> >efforts,
> >>>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless broadband
> >>>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on
> >what
> >>>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type
> >discussions)
> >>>>>> will be conducted as part of the show.   We will also be able to
> >>>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show.    There
> >was
> >>>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members to
> >>>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA
> >before
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> show.
> >>>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part in
> >this
> >>>>>> show.   There will still be a lot of work to be done, and I will
> >share
> >>>>>> details after we get them worked out with the promoters.
> >>>>>> Any questions or concerns, please submit them on the list and we
> >can
> >>>>>> get
> >>>>>> them worked out.
> >>>>>> Matt Larsen
> >>>>>> vistabeam.com
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Wispashow mailing list
> >>>>>> wispas...@wispa.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Wispashow mailing list
> >>>>> wispas...@wispa.org
> >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow
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