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The government cant "give" anything because they get the money to pay for such things from us, the US taxpayer. They simply take and transfer ownership. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: > Chuck, > > Thanks. You just reminded me that the government gave us the Internet too. > From Wikipedia - > > The origins of the Internet reach back to the 1960s when the United States > funded research projects of its military agencies to build robust, > fault-tolerant and distributed computer networks. This research and a period > of civilian funding of a new U.S. backbone by the National Science > Foundation spawned worldwide participation in the development of new > networking technologies and led to the commercialization of an international > network in the mid 1990s, and resulted in the following popularization of > countless applications in virtually every aspect of modern human life. As of > 2009, an estimated quarter of Earth's population uses the services of the > Internet. > > jack > > > Chuck Bartosch wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote: > > > > Government "Gave" me my life? Really? > > Telephone? Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously > expensive and advanced none at all. > > > That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had > multiple non-interworking telephone systems. I remember my grandfather > telling me when I was young that people had to have a "red telephone" and a > "blue telephone" in Minneapolis where we grew up for the two phone companies > if you wanted to be able to call everyone with a phone. Talk about > horrendously expensive (and not just in cost, but in time). Government > forced a monopoly situation that for many many decades worked to our > advantage. Eventually that was broken up when it no longer served the > public's interest. > > I also remember that friends who travelled around the world coming back > always commenting about how much more advanced and how much more reliable > our telecom systems were than anyone else's. > > And no advances? Geeze, when I was a kid everyone I knew had party lines. > Not long before that you had operators connecting calls. There were a LOT of > advances given the core technology that was available. > > It is hard to see just what kind of other advances you could have had in the > 30's, 40's, 50's and early 60's. The internet wasn't possible back then > because home computers didn't exist and the protocols that allowed it to > emerge didn't exist. > > It wasn't until the later 60's that transistors really became viable and > allowed a lot of the dynamic advances that breaking the monopoly enabled. > Yes, it took a decade or two to undo the the regulatory environment that by > that point WAS holding back progress, but I respectfully submit that doing > it decades earlier than that would have had no particular beneficial effect > and the original intervention was hugely beneficial. > > Reflexively painting everything government does as bad is simplistic though > has the benefit that it doesn't take a lot of thought. But it's a disservice > to your own arguments and restricts your ability to influence debate and the > position of others. It might be more useful to take a more balanced view > that more accurately reflects reality. > > Chuck > > > > Now, we have services that WERE NOT > EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married. We've come that far since > then. > > Copper to my house? Obsolete. > > Long distance? I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone > with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us. > It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no, > the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff. > > You know what? I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone > lines. Guess what? No big loss. If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for > so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve > problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with > "good intentions". > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Philip Dorr" <wirel...@judgementgaming.com> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE > > > > Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities? > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> > wrote: > > > can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has > not first taken? > > funny I keep asking - but never given an answer. > > > Im with you MDK > > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote: > > > > The really big wave of mass stupidity. > > I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's > fingers on > ANYTHING. There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more > expensive, > cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who > know > absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge.... Washington DC. > > Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that > is not > a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't. 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