On 04/16/2010 10:00 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: > Gotta disagree Brad- show me the price point differences between any > Cisco and IS that are comporable - don't forget TCO for OS upgrades > etc. Are you suggesting Cisco provides a cheaper HW upgrade solution? > > This is like pulling your car into the oil change station, handing the > guy 5 qt of your own oil that you purchased for a few bucks cheaper > and a new air filter.. Doesn't work that way- everyone needs a > You need an OIL filter with the oil, not an air filter -- just had too. > business model that's profitable. > > Thanks, > ‘S > > --- > Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> wrote: > > >> I may be wrong on this, but I doubt Cisco will void your warranty if >> you buy >> an expansion card (exact same as you could buy from Cisco directly) >> and >> install it in your Cisco router. >> >> I'm not suggesting Imagestream should be onboard with a user >> installing >> something other than what Imagestream sells directly, but if the >> card the >> end user installs is exactly the same....what's the problem? >> >> Imagestream doesn't keep record of how a product was configured >> before it >> was sold? So, if there is an expansion card added Imagestream can >> simply >> say you need to remove that card before we can help you...not just >> flat out >> void the warranty on the entire product. >> >> Anyway...just an opinion. >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >> >> How so Brad? >> >> We sell a complete, warranted, supported product. If you want to >> buy the >> pieces/parts and build your own, that's great (and I believe that >> you do). >> How can we warrant a product when we did not put sell all the gear >> that went >> in to it? If there is a product defect, how are we supposed to know >> if it >> is our gear or 3rd party gear that caused it? Believe me, there are >> enough >> variables in the process already. >> >> ImageStream provides a year warranty and a year of support >> (including 24/7 >> emergency support) with all of our routers above the little Envoy. >> We offer >> free lifetime software upgrades. We give a 31 Day Performance >> Guarantee >> with all of our routers. Is it too much to ask that all gear in the >> box >> come from us during that period? It's not like we charge Cisco >> prices for >> RAM, NICs, power supplies, etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> Jeff Broadwick >> ImageStream >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >> >> Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card >> Imagestream >> installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. >> >> Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >> >> Hi All, >> >> I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/ >> support. >> Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> Jeff Broadwick >> ImageStream >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >> >> You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) >> >> On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: >> >>> Yup... that's the one. >>> >>> Travis >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe this one? >>>> >>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>> continue that counts." >>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples >>>> <tsharp...@qorvus.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks guys! >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Travis Johnson >>>>> To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and >>>>> they worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards. >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Sharples wrote: >>>>> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , >>>>> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet >>>>> cards (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard >>>>> (e.g. 3com, intel, >>>>> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a >>>>> proprietary card? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Tom S. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal. >>>>> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new. >>>>> >>>>> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older >>>>> model that doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.) >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Tom Sharples" <tsharp...@qorvus.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet >>>>> expansion boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I >>>>> don't know what this model costs new with the added ports. Way more >>>>> than we really need. >>>>> I'm >>>>> looking forward to trying it out tho. >>>>> >>>>> Tom S. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues. Need to >>>>> push >>>>> a little bit and use the phone. To this day I've not had a >>>>> response >>>>> to my emails without a phone call. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert <lamb...@lambertfam.org> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>> I really think you'll love ImageStream... >>>>> I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we >>>>> inherited. Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was >>>>> pretty >>>>> happy. >>>>> >>>>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is >>>>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple >>>>> subnets on the same interface. The shellcmd plugin lets me have a >>>>> GUI to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface >>>>> configuration GUI of pfSense 1.2.3. >>>>> >>>>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the >>>>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have >>>>> to go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway >>>>> newip manually. Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and >>>>> can't get OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box. >>>>> >>>>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work. I don't know if that >>>>> is an indication that I have bad hardware or what. Using suspect >>>>> gear for your first experience with a platform is probably not the >>>>> best situation for figuring out what is what. The other 4 >>>>> inherited >>>>> TransPorts all have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't >>>>> been able to use them. I can't point to anything on the other >>>>> three >>>>> that screams "I'm busted." >>>>> >>>>> Having to reboot is really annoying. Having to use the shell to >>>>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at >>>>> least >>>>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility. >>>>> >>>>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the >>>>> ImageStreams >>>>> is, it would take me much longer to train guys to run the >>>>> ImageStreams than it will take to train them to run pfSense. The >>>>> secondary problem is cost : >>>>> >>>>> pfSense on Alix: $204 3 eth >>>>> pfSense on soekris: $275-350 4 eth >>>>> >>>>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth >>>>> $600 e-bay. 3 eth >>>>> >>>>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed. >>>>> More horsepower would be wasted. The BGP running pfSense box is a >>>>> bit beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a >>>>> new TransPort. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert >>>>> <lamb...@lambertfam.org>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1 >>>>> peer. >>>>> I am awaiting that fix myself. >>>>> In the GUI anyway. >>>>> >>>>> 1. mount -u -w / >>>>> >>>>> 2. vi config file >>>>> >>>>> 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated >>>>> to >>>>> handle more peers. >>>>> >>>>> That's why I love pfSense, if the GUI doesn't support it, I can >>>>> still make it work. >>>>> >>>>> I only need one peer for now. The only reason it needs to speak >>>>> BGP >>>>> is so I can announce a subset of our ARIN space to the transit >>>>> provider. >>>>> >>>>> I've been tempted to just pkg_add quagga. But my long term goal is >>>>> to not be the only guy here who can manage the network. >>>>> >>>>> I love PFSENSE - Chris has done an awesome job on that >>>>> project. >>>>> Durn tootin'. Chris and that other Scott, and Ermal >>>>> and . . . >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix >>>>> SysAdmin >>>>> lamb...@lambertfam.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ------------ >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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