Bob:
That is funny! Lived in that parallel universe myself :) I
cannot recall one of those failing every either, in fact I suspect if I
dig around I can find some still around here.
* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
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-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot
and
Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel
universe.
I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and
well
behaved.
Bob-
-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Running a large Data Center I can say yes ...
Every component is subject to failure.
I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well.
Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines...
Samsung ram - feels like its all doa
On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this.
>
> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks
DOA.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West
<robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote:
>
>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components
>> rather
>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard,
5
>> years
>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the
bad
>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Charles Hooper
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>
>> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these.
>> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds
to
>> becoming Value-Added Resellers.
>>
>> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with
>> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being
able
>> to hold someone else accountable.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> How can you be a system builder anymore?
>>>
>>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on
the
low
>>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop
will
>>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've
found
>> for
>>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom
one-off
>>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less
than
>>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc.
>>>
>>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect
or...
is
>>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the
point
>> where
>>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from
a
>>> "distributor".
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Steven Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>>
>>>
>>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18
>>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I
>>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with
Seagate.
>>>> Get a good distributor like ASI .
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good
luck
>>>>> with
>>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with
>> Maxtor
>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO
Western
>>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks!
In
>> my
>>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of
drive
>> you
>>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just
asking
>>>>> for
>>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black
edition" or
>>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid
the
>>>>> cheapy
>>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not
>> tested
>>>>> before leaving the factory.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Adam Kennedy
>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>> Omnicity, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>>>>
>>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a
let
>>>>> down. Western Digital is the best.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West
>>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now
but
>>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West
>>>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to
the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> terabyte)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they
have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you
should
>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11
can
>> be
>>>>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the
same
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As
well
>> as
>>
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and
>> thought
>>>>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They
were
>>>>>>> flashed
>>>>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> eventually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the
same
>> time
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> installed at the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they
>>>>>>> replaced
>>>>>>> that one as well with no questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert West
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 740-335-7020
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Logo5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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