And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find 
a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.

John

Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote:

>Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" according to the 
>customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* 
>and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the 
>customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.
>
>-Kurt Fankhauser
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>
>
>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do 
>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and 
>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port 
>>> from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone 
>>> else.
>>>
>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you 
>>> are doing NAT.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Adam Kennedy
>>> Network Engineer
>>> Omnicity, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>>>
>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
>>> that it's a big security hole.
>>>
>>> Thoughts on that?
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
>>>
>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
>>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
>>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
>>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
>>> (I think it's called open?).
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to 
>>>> you
>>>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about 
>>>> being
>>>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
>>>> servers.
>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and 
>>>> Play
>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
>>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
>>>> device?
>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let 
>>>> them
>>>> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
>>>> do
>>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
>>>> that
>>>> not work because of the double-NAT?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> WAVELINC
>>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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