I could not agree more.
Knowing that OSI model and following it - would really save many folks a ton of 
time. 


On Dec 5, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

>    It’s across a wide variety of clients.  My guys always check layer1 before 
> they do much of anything.  We fixed two just yesterday which were bad patch 
> cables.
> 
>     We always reference the following article when we bring a new guy on:
> 
> http://www.iphelp.ru/faq/24/ch16lev1sec1.html
> 
>     I have seen guys spend hours troubleshooting configurations that have not 
> changed in 6 months, do memory tests, and all sorts of things.  Then a jumper 
> is replaced and all is good.  My only point is start at the bottom of the OSI 
> model and work up if nothing has changed.
> 
>     Justin
> 
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> 
> From: Josh Luthman <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:23:10 -0500
> To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.
> 
> I don't think 1% accounts for those in my experience.  Wonder what you're 
> doing differently.
> 
> On Dec 5, 2010 9:52 PM, "Justin Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >     In my experience the first thing we always check is layer1.  80+% of our
> > logged tickets can be traced down to bad cat-5, bad crimps, poor patch
> > cables, etc.
> > 
> >     Justin
> > -- 
> > Justin Wilson <[email protected]>
> > Aol & Yahoo IM: j2sw
> > http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Rubens Kuhl <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
> > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:35:52 -0200
> > To: WISPA General List <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] You would think after 20 years we have this down.
> > 
> >> We recently upgraded a link and started having some packet loss.  Looking 
> >> at
> >> the manged switch, it was obvious the CMM on that tower was getting 
> >> ethernet
> >> errors.  Auto negotiation on GigE switches is flaky as hell.  This is the
> >> second time in a month I've had to hard code both ends.  This has occurred
> >> on both Cisco and HP Procurve hardware.
> > 
> > GigE auto-neg not working is a hint pointing to bad cable,
> > interference and/or defective hardware. Unlike Fast-Eth, Gig-E autoneg
> > works and you lose link quality monitoring by disabling it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rubens
> > 
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