But the reality is, New boy saw the signals, albeit weak. As a good citizen, he worked around it. However, if old boy has a stick omni 10 miles down range giving out a -90 or worse, what's a brother to think? That's the problem with omnis, they pick up anything and everything from everywhere. How can you effectively deal with that unknown. I have AP's 4, 5, 6 miles apart, sectorized and using the same spectrum. No issues. New boy met with Old boy a few times and showed him what he was using and suggested he go to a more professional setup. No dice.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. This is different than having to deal with consumer routers. This is a matter of paying attention the environment you are rolling into. Had NB looked at the spectrum, he would have have seen the noise floor and realized he needed to co-ordinate before rolling out, or looked at a different band. Instead, NB threw his gear in the air and is now trying to figure out how to fix it. From a Part-15 "rules" standpoint you are correct. From a professional standpoint, NB did a crappy job of planning and now wants to throw the responsibility for his poor planning back on the other guy. With that said, had NB contacted OB in advance, and discussed co-locating and OB told him to piss off, then that's a different situation and OB gets what he deserves. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB) problem. Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants protection he should have bought spectrum. As long as NB is following part15 rules and not maliciously trying to interfere with OB's network then OB has to accept interference from NB's network, just as NB has to accept interference from OB's network. It seems that NB has tried to get along, it is about time OB started taking some responsibility for his network. I don't get to tell everyone that bought a wireless router in town to take them back because they interfere with my WISP. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless On 12/29/10 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Here is my take: Old boy was there first New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy. I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4, and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's king of the roost since he was first in. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy. Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away. Or wait for UBNT AirSync. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any experience with something like this or any ideas. Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring broadband to all of their grain legs. The operator had the idea of, instead of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service to local customers. The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a fairly good sized network. For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets with sectors at the APs. Network has been working perfectly. That's the setup. Now for the trouble. There was and still is an existing WISP in the area. 60 customers or so. (Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not to use him for whatever reason) It's reported that boy is in love with Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs. For CPEs he goes for large grids and Bullets, I believe. He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5 miles or more on those OMNI APs. New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul, 2.4 for CPE. Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately. Interference taking down his network. New wisp changes channels to those suggested by old wisp. Calls again, interference. New wisp changes channels again. Another phone call, he changes yet again. Then drops down to 10MHz channels to give more room. Still the phone calls. For a time it was every evening he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy. Old wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad mouthing new wisp. Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?" Old wisp then wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash. I tell new wisp, "Chill, don't even think of buying that idiot and his duct tape network". New wisp then buys a 3.65 license but we all know how long that sucker takes and the limitations it has with number of channels and the $$ premium per unit. New wisp has been very nice to all parties and has done, from what I see, about all he can do. He's within all power regulations and has bent over backwards to every request put to him by this guy. (One of the last comments from old WISP was that he would get a sector and, in so many words, blast him and take down his network) Now the latest. Old wisp has contacted the leg owners and has put together a meeting between old wisp, all of new wisps grain leg owners, new wisp and two outside parties, one of which is related to old wisp boy. New Wisp is at a loss to what more can be accomplished other than old wisp upgrade his OMNIs to sectors in order to isolate the RF away from a competing channel. Anyone have any solid resolutions that he can throw out to old wisp boy ? Surely someone here has been there before. Thanks! 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