Exactly, I don't think we have permission to store their private information either. If we are asked to fulfill the role of a law enforcement position we should get paid. We are asked to be a tax collector and we are not paid and I actually think that that is against the law, but we won't go there.
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:43:55 -0500 >I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, >than to break the law to enforce the law. >I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a >defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a >defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking >regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged. >If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how >hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs. >And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would >one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not >tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person, >by spoofing IPs and such. > >If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a >broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of >a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, >gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for >the specific task. The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday >for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to >get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should >ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the >information. > > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Forbes Mercy" <forbes.me...@wabroadband.com> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild >porn > > >I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes >back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had >results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they >"get in to" every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that >entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and >personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient >constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they >justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of >the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means' >philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES >come with age. > >Forbes > >On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: >> I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having >> the ip/user information (but really, isps should have<at least> that) >> and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a >> conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some >> politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI. >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband >> <li...@stlbroadband.com> wrote: >>> Yep, I hear you Stuart. >>> >>> So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid >>> >>> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO >>> >>> www.ShowMeBroadband.com >>> >>> www.StLouisBroadband.com >>> >>> www.FarmingtonForum.com >>> >>> 314-974-5600 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM >>> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to >>> combatchild >>> porn >>> >>> Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players >>> there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just >>> one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root >>> of >>> the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they >>> are >>> disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ). >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> >>> From: "St. Louis Broadband"<li...@stlbroadband.com> >>> >>> Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600 >>> >>>> Same thing here from CNET: >>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG >>>> <http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html> >>>> Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years! All browsing >>>> data >>>> and email. >>>> Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds . >>>> The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if >>>> WISPs will exist in the next few years. >>>> Victoria Proffer - President/CEO >>>> www.ShowMeBroadband.com >>>> www.StLouisBroadband.com >>>> www.FarmingtonForum.com<http://farmingtonforum.com/> >>>> 314-974-5600 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat >>>> child >>>> porn >>>> Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that >>>> way was designed for tacking IP space to people. >>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger<jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: >>>>> The following information is offered for your personal use only. It >>>> contains no >>>>> added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any >>>> machinery >>>>> that also processes eggs or nuts. >>>> **************************************************************************** >>>> **************************************************************************** >>>> ***************************************** >>>>> House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that >>>>> would >>>> force >>>>> companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement combat >>>> child >>>>> pornography. >>>>> Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers >>>>> should >>>> be >>>>> forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a way >>>>> to >>>> help >>>>> combat child pornography. 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