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On 1/26/11 3:54 PM, "Jon Auer" <[email protected]> wrote: >And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee >from $250 to $500... > >On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman ><[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That does add overhead... >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and >>>then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to >>>report correctly. >>> 1-500 base rate >>> 500-1000 +100 >>> 1000-2000 +250 >>> etc. >>> Regards, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman >>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> $250 first year >>>> >>>> $500 second+ year >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi >>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, >>>>>and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for >>>>>twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be >>>>>doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. >>>>> I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a >>>>>price increase of 3% per year is in line. >>>>> Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 >>>>>Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, >>>>>but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can >>>>>afford an extra $50-100 per year. >>>>> That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership >>>>>recruitment, it would add up. >>>>> >>>>> I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying >>>>>members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in >>>>>dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the >>>>>waters on what members would be OK with. >>>>> >>>>> I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to >>>>>get $350 of value from this organization. >>>>> There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. >>>>>But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. >>>>> Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. >>>>> >>>>> I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more >>>>>general list participants step up to become paying members, and join >>>>>our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for >>>>>our industry. >>>>> >>>>> I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is >>>>>not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and >>>>>WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules >>>>>were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. >>>>> >>>>> What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our >>>>>team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell >>>>>the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a >>>>>million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most >>>>>relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the >>>>>voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll >>>>>settle for a 1000 :-) >>>>> But I KNOW we can do better than 300. >>>>> >>>>> And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an >>>>>assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown >>>>>subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the >>>>>opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a >>>>>learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full >>>>>membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. >>>>> >>>>> And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just >>>>>think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to >>>>>pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. >>>>>$250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. >>>>>I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record >>>>>as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if >>>>>someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business >>>>>and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, >>>>>I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join >>>>>WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be >>>>>afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an >>>>>organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than >>>>>WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. >>>>> >>>>> I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, >>>>>Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to >>>>>understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could >>>>>WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would >>>>>a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain >>>>>by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? >>>>> >>>>> There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get >>>>>harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in >>>>>Congress and FCC. >>>>> And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get >>>>>re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and >>>>>effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight >>>>>for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, >>>>>that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my >>>>>dues to fight for topic XXXXX. Tell the Director what is important >>>>>to you, and back it with a check. >>>>> >>>>> I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my >>>>>life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because >>>>>what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted >>>>>to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and >>>>>started focusing more time on my own business, my business >>>>>profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a >>>>>steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are >>>>>working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I >>>>>can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA >>>>>do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Rick Harnish >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>>>> >>>>> Kurt, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very >>>>>expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just >>>>>about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. >>>>>However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that >>>>>happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we >>>>>maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations >>>>>have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long >>>>>ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the >>>>>country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in >>>>>Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, >>>>>insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the >>>>>Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major >>>>>portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year >>>>>were almost $100,000. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the >>>>>industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our >>>>>efforts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick Harnish >>>>> >>>>> Executive Director >>>>> >>>>> WISPA >>>>> >>>>> 260-307-4000 cell >>>>> >>>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>>>> >>>>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. >>>>>I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with >>>>>running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP >>>>>CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now >>>>>pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) >>>>>is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts >>>>>and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to >>>>>sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not >>>>>members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total >>>>>WISPS are members. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of >>>>>themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the >>>>>expense of the rest of us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> >>>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>>> >>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>> >>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>>> >>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kurt, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of >>>>>work to get the P&L ready. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this >>>>>money going? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> >>>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>>> >>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>> >>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>> >>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM >>>>> To: [email protected]; 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It isn¹t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so >>>>>that the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are >>>>>representative of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of >>>>>operators just like the rest of you and they are human, they make >>>>>mistakes and they don¹t always have the funding or impact to get >>>>>everything they want in regards to FCC policy. Any Board member will >>>>>tell you that criticism is the name of the game. If you can¹t take >>>>>it, you don¹t run the next year. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sure I wish we could be right all the time and never receive any >>>>>criticism, but that will never happen. We pledge to do the best we >>>>>can do. Understand that the Board is still a volunteer position and >>>>>they do have a business to run as well. That is why they hired me to >>>>>run the day to day affairs and stimulate the membership totals. >>>>>Below is a graphic of WISPA revenues since March 2008. I started on >>>>>August 1st, 2010. You can see that typically, we have a revenue >>>>>spike with every tradeshow that we do as our membership grows. >>>>> >>>>> January 2011 numbers are not complete yet but in general, we seem to >>>>>be progressing nicely. The large spike was the Summer Regional Show >>>>>in St. Louis. Obviously there were rather large offsetting costs but >>>>>it was a profitable show for us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Respectively, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rick Harnish >>>>> >>>>> Executive Director >>>>> >>>>> WISPA >>>>> >>>>> 260-307-4000 cell >>>>> >>>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>>>> >>>>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Bobby Burrow >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:30 AM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals >>>>>of WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to >>>>>vent or air ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers >>>>>that can look to each other for support and encouragement as we >>>>>pursue of business goals. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the >>>>>freedom to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization >>>>>that provides the service. I would suggest that those that feel that >>>>>need should find another venue so the rest can continue on per the >>>>>goals and mission as defined. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bobby Burrow >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Supporter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for >>>>>example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. >>>>>Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to >>>>>do what we want. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the >>>>>[email protected] a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post >>>>>to pull users from WISPA? >>>>> >>>>> Steve Barnes >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>On Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] new list >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing >>>>>list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% >>>>>free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. It is >>>>>hosted on a free server, with free bandwidth and free administration. >>>>>No fees or vendor sponsorship will ever be asked by this new list. >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe to this new list, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>with "subscribe" in the subject field. >>>>> >>>>> We support many of the wireless pioneers in this industry such as >>>>>Motorola, Wireless Beehive, and WISPA. We would just prefer a vendor >>>>>neutral list that allows discussion of any product (whether good or >>>>>bad) so that we can all learn. >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________ >>>>> Wireless Users Group [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>---------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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