Jim,

Thats the way to make a sale. I dont see Cisco or Juniper offering that kind of 
quality support.

Roman,

If this is for you, and you are only needing less than 10- 300mbps of bandwidth 
for small to medium need,  do yourself a favor, and save your money, and save 
your time, and go buy a MIkrotik.
It will do everything you need, and let you spend your time on making sales, 
where you need to be spending your time. You will simply save loads and loads 
of money with Mikrotik.
And there really are some good support folk who are also on this list, that you 
can hire if you get in a bind.

If this is something that you are selling to someone else, then its a different 
story.  Its sorta like banks that have IBM PCs sitting on the lobby front desk, 
but in the back room out of sight, they got all PC clones doing all the heavy 
lifting. 

When selling to someone else, budget is not always the biggest concern, 
expecially when selling to Etnerprise customers. There are other issues like 
accountability, and hiring techs that might already be familiar with a 
platform. For example ever john Doe out of computer school likely has had Cisco 
training.  Often your buyers also will be people who have had that Cisco 
training, and looking for name brand. 
Juniper is an alternate choice for Cisco. The kind of people that buy Junipoer 
and Cisco are never going to be interested in a Vyatta, Mikrotik, or 
ImageStream. Its to risky for them leaving the name brand.

But most smaller businesses are going to be fine with what ever you recommend, 
and Image stream and Mikrotlk both have wonderful solutions for small business.

I personally, use our own distro of Linux. The reason is I already put in my 
time learning how to do it on Linux by hand, and can. My custom solution costs 
me about $1200-1500 in hardware for the latest XEON 5520 platform, and can push 
almost 10Gb.  I dont recomend that to others, unless they have the staff that 
is already knolwedageable with Linux and common ISP open source applications.

If you are pushing multiple gigs, then you've likely grown the complexity of 
what you do as a provider, and to select the best product, you really need to 
have a better idea on your network design goals.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Patient 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP


  Roman,

   

  If you would like to give me a call, I will set you up a read only account on 
a live running Powerouter 732 and give you a quick tour of Mikrotik RouterOS.  
This router is running IPv6 and BGP with multiple peers on the WAN and OSPF on 
the LAN side.  It also has a pretty extensive firewall and quite a few 
bandwidth queues, tunnels, etc.  This router has been in service over 4 years 
now.

   

   

  Jim Patient

  Link Technologies, Inc.

  314-735-0270 ext. 102

  www.linktechs.net or

  http://ipv6.linktechs.net/


   

   

   

   

   

   

  From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Roman
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:01 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

   

  What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all of 
my projects to get budget calculation. 

  For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up to 
1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
characteristics and price.

   

  Thank you in advance!


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