Bit late on this, but the announcement is based on licensed spectrum and the ability for carriers to aggregate various spectrum assets on the same RAN. Its definetly does not apply for Unlicensed Spectrum.
Cant get more efficient than this, show me a technology that could deliver 21 bits per hz using the same 200 mhz on any geographic regionŠ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 12/10/14, 12:14 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >I agreed with not setting specific interfaces on spectrum, which was a >problem we had in Canada back in the 1990s, but the FCC has in the past >allowed things - namely a certain 4G operator using satellite spectrum >for terrestrial use - where existings users - anyone with GPS technology >- were supposed to deal with their own 'lack of steel-toed boots' and >instead it fell apart. Being in 'new' spectrum in this case should make >things easier for you in the U.S.A. > >Canada has gone back to look at its use of 3.5 GHz and there may be >developments here that change the landscape a bit so stay tuned to our >developments! > >Daniel > > >Patrick Leary <[email protected]> wrote .. >> ....re those comments in 2002, here's an example. During the Spectrum >>Policy Task >> Force, there were some elements of industry trying to insist the FCC >>codify Wi-Fi >> as the only standard accepted for use in future unlicensed bands. I >>argued aggressively >> against this, with this being my opening salvo Found on page 102 of the >>transcript): >> >> 3 MR. LEARY: I'm sorry. Patrick Leary >> 4 with Alvarion. If I walk into a crowded Egyptian >> 5 bazaar without any shoes and I cut my feet, or I >> 6 get my toes stepped on, is it the fault -- whose >> 7 fault is it? It's my fault because I chose the >> 8 wrong technology. >> 9 The same person could back into that >> 10 same bazaar with a pair of steel-toed boots and be >> 11 just fine. If that same bazaar, if there's 3,000 >> 12 people in there, and 2,000 of them don't wear >> 13 shoes, and 2,000 of them get hurt, yes, there's a >> 14 problem, but that still is not the problem of the >> 15 band. It's the problem of the predominant choice, >> 16 being chosen by most of those people, so I would >> 17 caution, just as Professor Lessig was saying, you >> 18 know. The myth of congestion is in large, a >> 19 comment about the technology itself that's been >> 20 deployed, not about the band itself so, you know, >> 21 if you start protecting for this one prevailing >> 22 standard, of which I also participate in to some >> 23 degree then, you know, you stifle innovation and >> 24 you're protecting the wrong things. >> >> Patrick Leary >> M 727.501.3735 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf >> Of Patrick Leary >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:27 AM >> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and >>FDD Carrier >> Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G >> >> Paolo, >> >> As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is >>my understanding >> of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: THIS >>MAY NOT BE >> WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated >>expectation. None >> have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is well >>worth a consultation >> fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated call with him. >> >> I will offer some international perspective here as well for your >>benefit there >> in Italy. >> >> - 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks >>(tricky) >> - Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though "auction" process is >>likely not >> to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden >>streamlined method >> - remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, >>opportunistic use >> - Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from >>acquiring more that >> 30% (3 channels) >> - "ownership" likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years >>max perhaps >> - HOWEVER...even if one "owns" some of this spectrum, others can use it >>IF the >> owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners >>DO build, >> the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be >>dynamically managing >> base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will relocate the >>opportunistic >> user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive spectrum to the >>owner now actively >> using it >> - this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum >>following >> a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may >>be more granular >> (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it >>would open >> use more broadly) >> - potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed >>current 3.65 >> for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge) >> - there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined >>sets of >> users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users >>away from their >> active channels, moving them to open channels >> >> I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of >>us don't >> yet understand what's meant by "dynamic" as it relates to machines >>talking to machines >> in real time. >> >> A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. >>adoption of this >> band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost >>globally and >> encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE world >>calls "UEs" >> for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless CPE). I >>fully expect >> things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, etc. to have >>embedded >> 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional fixed wireless >>"UE" options. >> >> Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re >>fixed wireless >> -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, >>etc. -- and >> in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see my >>comments >> in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 2002, >>3 years >> before it was released >>http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am >> hoping my streak continues. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> M 727.501.3735 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf >> Of Paolo Di Francesco >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:18 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and >>FDD Carrier >> Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G >> >> will that spectrum be licensed? >> >> >> > Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited >> > over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer >> > for many reasons, this among them. >> > >> > *Patrick Leary* >> > >> > ***M*727.501.3735 >> > >> > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> >> > >> > >> > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> > *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:26 AM >> > *To:* WISPA General List >> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G >> > >> > I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing >> > this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a >> > couple channels per tower. >> > >> > That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, >> > you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be >> > impossible to do so due to external interferers. >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image >>removed >> > by sender. >> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >> > removed by sender. >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Imag >> > e removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- >> > >> > *From: *"Patrick Leary" <[email protected]> >> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:22:36 AM >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G >> > >> > It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much >> > further. See my last post. >> > >> > *Patrick Leary* >> > >> > *M*727.501.3735 >> > >> > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet> >> > >> > >> > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> > *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM >> > *To:* WISPA General List >> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G >> > >> > Why not allow both? >> > >> > I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral >> > efficiency. >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image >>removed >> > by sender. >> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >> > removed by sender. >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Imag >> > e removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- >> > >> > *From: *"daniel mullen" <[email protected]> >> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD >> > and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G >> > >> > It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations >> > instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make >> > ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! >> > >> > >> > Daniel >> > >> > >> > Gino Villarini <[email protected]> wrote .. >> > > How is that going to make a difference? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Gino A. Villarini >> > > President >> > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> > > www.aeronetpr.com >> > > @aeronetpr >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, "[email protected]" >> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to >>do >> > > >10x channel sizes! >> > > > >> > > >Daniel >> > > > >> > > >Gino Villarini <[email protected]> wrote .. >> > > >> >> > > >> ow.ly/FBFcX >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Gino A. 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