Hi Jaap First and foremost, absolutely agree this was far from a bad experience for me (I would say very good! - everything is working for me, and I learnt lots of new and interesting stuff!). The only other time (many years ago) I needed to compile a package from source I "disappeared" for about two months before getting anywhere! The build system and documentation for Wireshark are very impressive.
As are you folk on the mailing list! Very much aware I was (am) an **absolute** novice attempting something pretty complex - that's why I was so appreciative of the time you experienced folk have taken to help me get over my initial sticking points. I also agree my suggestions are not really suited to the general documentation (really far too basic for anyone who has the faintest idea about compiling using cmake / ninja, and also quite specific to my hardware / system software combination). Perhaps their incarnation on this mailing list - or my "personal" tutorial to myself which I've put here [Compiling wireshark 2.6.4 from source, for and on a Raspberry Pi](https://gist.github.com/Geoff99/fd7d1e68134cdca5742fa54821f79212) - might be helpful for some future novice who finds them via a search engine - or maybe not, that's OK, someday in the future I might need reminding about something myself :-) Once again, many thanks for all the help (and for a really useful product!) Geoff PS I'm currently exploring how to create a deb package of Wireshark 2.6.4, given that I've used cmake / ninja to compile it rather than autotools, but I've got a lot more reading of source code, looking up how various things work, and learning in general to do before I'll need any help (if indeed I do). PPS Of course, I'll also take a peek at the current master version in the next day or so, to see what I can earn from there as well, since as you say autotools is being phased out. -----Original Message----- From: Wireshark-dev [mailto:wireshark-dev-boun...@wireshark.org] On Behalf Of Jaap Keuter Sent: 18 September, 2018 3:05 AM To: Developer support list for Wireshark Subject: Re: [Wireshark-dev] Pointers needed for building Wireshark 2.6.3 on a Raspberry Pi model 3B (armv7 processor?) HI, Just a few responses on some items here. It seems that you got into building a (rather complicated) program for the first time. Please excuse us for not being in the business of teaching ‘first timers’ how this is done on the multitude of platforms this software is supposed to run on. That is just out of our scope. However, we do try to make the process as smooth as possible by preparing the build system in great detail. <QUITE understandable!> The use of sudo apt-get build-dep wireshark is nice, as in it prepared the system for building *that version* of Wireshark. These build dependancies, although fairly stable, do change from time to time. It could be that the build-dep you’ve installed only partially matches the intended build target. Fortunately this didn’t cause a problem. <Once I realised what it did, I guessed I was just lucky! But the details in the INSTALL file did let me work through what versions I had installed, to see whether this shortcut had led me astray somewhere> It’s good to see that you’ve found a multitude of instructions. The fact that you found one more up to date and/or more relevant to your issues, leads to two conclusions. 1. The documentation (the Wiki) should be maintained to be up to date. 2. Duplication of documentation needs to be reduced. All this is an ongoing effort. The getting to know cmake (and ninja) could be considered ‘basic knowledge’ of a software developer. When I was first confronted with them I just took to the web (like you did), found some excellent material that answered my specific questions, then went on to use it tweaking Wireshark builds. BTW: the autotools are on their way out, being removed from the repository master branch. As for your specifics on compiling on the Pi, again the multitude of platforms this software is supposed to run on, makes it impossible to have detailed documentation on all of them. Maybe a Wiki page with tips on specific platforms, where tips on building, setting up, different capture options, etc, would be useful. The two Debian packages with the name ninja, is a Debian naming conflict resolution thing. So, this is specific to this distribution (and derivatives). The mailing lists are a somewhat undervalued resource, in this day and age of web based interactions. Not uncommon these days is a question on ‘Ask’ being the first contacts after which referral may follow, to either bugzilla, mailing list, Gerrit, etc. So, reading this, all in all not a bad experience. You’ve gained a lot of valuable experience and knowledge, which will pay off later when dealing with software packages. <Absolutely :-) > I’ll have to go re-read the documents referenced, see what would benefit from some more attention. The Wiki could for sure, another undervalued resource, IMHO. Thanks, Jaap > On 16 Sep 2018, at 01:26, Geoff Lee <geoff.le...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Jaap > > As requested, some thoughts about possible areas to enhance the User's and > Developer's Guides. (I tend to verbose, so if you decide to follow up any of > this, I suggest you just pick the salient points out!) > > Looking back (and as an absolute novice member of the general public - this > was my first use ever of cmake and ninja, not just my first compile of > wireshark) there were three things that might have helped me along the way. > All are sort of trivial, but anyway, they were: > > 1) Which instructions to follow > 2) The very basics of what cmake and ninja are and do > 3) How to use the mailing list (better) > > Explaining in more detail. > > 1) Instructions > > Before I attempted anything, I did a bit some preliminary research using > google. In addition to several independent blog entries about compiling > wireshark > > (one of which was actually very helpful because it showed me how I could use > `sudo apt-get build-dep wireshark` to install all the required dependencies > (after I had edited / uncommented a line in `/etc/apt/sources.list`) > > I also found build instructions in multiple different places in the official > wireshark documentation, namely > > The wireshark wiki -> > https://wiki.wireshark.org/BuildingAndInstalling > The wireshark users guide - unix build -> > https://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsug_html_chunked/ChBuildInstallUnixBuild.html > The wireshark developers guide - unix build-> > https://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsdg_html_chunked/ChSrcBuildFirstTime.html#_building_on_unix > The wireshark users guide, troubleshooting -> > https://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsug_html_chunked/ChBuildInstallUnixTrouble.html > and > The wireshark2.6 INSTALL file on Github -> > https://github.com/wireshark/wireshark/blob/master-2.6/INSTALL > > It wasn't all that confusing once I got myself organised, but I went back and > forth a fair bit while I was just exploring what to do. The wiki seems to be > a bit out of date; The user's guide and the developer's guide are nice and > concise, and all you need if everything works first go,; but in my case I > found the INSTALL file easily the most useful once I struck a problem. I > would suggest adding pointers to the INSTALL file into the user's / > developer's guides entries. (PS The instructions in the INSTALL file about > how to check versions for the dependencies were very useful!) > > 2) Very basics of cmake and ninja (aka what I wish I'd known when I began) > > Had everything worked first time, I wouldn't have needed to know this. But > after what was really quite a minor hiccup I needed to look into what had > gone wrong (was it something I'd done wrong, or a missing dependency or > what?). What I wish I'd known is this : > > cmake sets everything up for your chosen build system. Several different > build systems are available, including the default "GNU autotools suite - > `./configure &&make && make install`, - and ninja. Ninja is recommended - > it's faster. > > cmake > . reads a file called CMakeLists.txt - which is located in the wireshark > **source** directory which was cloned from github or downloaded and > unzipped/untarred > . probes the system to see what compiler is installed; what options it > supports; which (optional) libraries are installed, and where the requisite > .h include header files are located, > then, if all goes well > . produces a file called build.ninja - which is placed in the (parallel) > wireshark **build** directory. Two log files called CMakeOutput.log, and > CMakeError.log are created in the wireshark **build** directory/CMakeFiles > subdirectory. > > cmake probes the system by running lots of small test compiles. It is normal > and expected for some of these to fail - that is how cmake discovers that a > compile option or an optional library is not available. So if you strike a > problem during the cmake step - look at the LAST error message on the > console, and the LAST entries in the log files for hints about what has gone > wrong! All the earlier "error" messages are probably just cmake reporting on > its normal operations. > > ninja reads the build.ninja file in the wireshark **build** directory, and > runs the compilation and linking processes. There are literally thousands of > steps when building wireshark for the first time, so this can take quite a > long time. ninja (like most build systems) keeps track of what has already > been compiled, so if it falls over or is interrupted for any reason, it is > safe to simply restart ninja. > > Ninja is fast because it uses multiple cores. If you are building on a low > spec machine (like a Raspberry Pi) everything else might become utterly > unresponsive while ninja is running, because it is using all the available > CPU resources. Don't panic, just wait - and then wait some more :-). > > Low spec machines may not be able to complete some of the larger more complex > steps while all the cores are in use. In which case try `ninja -j1` to use > only a single core. (This is speculation on my part, but it worked for me on > the Raspberry Pi) > > (PS When I went to install ninja using apt-get I discovered there were two > packages available! One just called `ninja`, and one called `ninja-build`. > `ninja-build` was the one to install (once installed it becomes plain `ninja` > anyway) > > 3) The wireshark-dev mailing list > > People on the mailing list were very helpful -THANKS! Very minor points, but : > > a) I should have signed up to the mailing list before sending my first email > to wireshark-dev@wireshark.org - it would have saved a moderator the effort > of reviewing my email! ; and > b) I should NOT have ticked the email digest option when I did sign up (it > made responding to the suggestions I received just a tiny bit harder than it > should have been). > > Hope these suggestions are helpful > > Regards > > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wireshark-dev [mailto:wireshark-dev-boun...@wireshark.org] On Behalf Of > Jaap Keuter > Sent: 13 September, 2018 9:16 PM > To: Developer support list for Wireshark > Subject: Re: [Wireshark-dev] Pointers needed for building Wireshark 2.6.3 on > a Raspberry Pi model 3B (armv7 processor?) > > Hi Geoff, > > Congratulations on your successful build. > Now, looking back, what from your experience would be beneficial to add or > change in the User’s Guide/Developer’s Guide for the general public, if > anything? > >> On 13 Sep 2018, at 06:21, Geoff Lee <geoff.le...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Posting this to report success !!!! >> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Sent via: Wireshark-dev mailing list <wireshark-dev@wireshark.org> > Archives: https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev > Unsubscribe: https://www.wireshark.org/mailman/options/wireshark-dev > mailto:wireshark-dev-requ...@wireshark.org?subject=unsubscribe > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Sent via: Wireshark-dev mailing list <wireshark-dev@wireshark.org> > Archives: https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev > Unsubscribe: https://www.wireshark.org/mailman/options/wireshark-dev > mailto:wireshark-dev-requ...@wireshark.org?subject=unsubscribe ___________________________________________________________________________ Sent via: Wireshark-dev mailing list <wireshark-dev@wireshark.org> Archives: https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev Unsubscribe: https://www.wireshark.org/mailman/options/wireshark-dev mailto:wireshark-dev-requ...@wireshark.org?subject=unsubscribe ___________________________________________________________________________ Sent via: Wireshark-dev mailing list <wireshark-dev@wireshark.org> Archives: https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev Unsubscribe: https://www.wireshark.org/mailman/options/wireshark-dev mailto:wireshark-dev-requ...@wireshark.org?subject=unsubscribe
