Hi Stefan,

Like I mentioned, there can be more than one reason why the session may still be alive 
- aside 
from spiders.

Consider Ian's post - yes, the session is long expired, but two or more people have 
just 
clicked on the same Search engine link and have now started a new shared session 
because they 
all have the "same" session ID from the link - note the undesirable results. 

Thank you Ian for putting it so well.

The reasons, circumstances and arguments are numerous - why put your business at so 
much risk?

Remove the <@USERREFERENCEARGUMENT> metatag from your code. 

Have a nice day....

Scott Cadillac,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Gonick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:17:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Cookies

> Hi Scott,
> 
> Forgive me if I find this explanation less than satisfying. :)
> If sessions typically expire after 30 minutes of inactivity,
> then spidered sessions would extremely likely have expired
> by the time someone has clicked on the link. Am I missing
> something here?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> At 01:10 PM 10/13/2004, you wrote:
> >Hi Stefan,
> >
> >Who knows if it ever expired?
> >
> >Personally, I think the bug is using <@USERREFERENCEARGUMENT> period.
> >
> >Just remove it - and more than one problem is solved.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Stefan Gonick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:58:56 -0400
> >Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Cookies
> >
> > > What kind of factor can lead to the resurrection of an expired
> session?
> > >
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > > At 01:04 PM 10/13/2004, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Stefan,
> > > >
> > > > > I STILL don't understand why UserReferences from a week ago
> should
> > > > > lead to session hijacking. Wouldn't this UserReference have
> expired
> > > a
> > > > > long
> > > > > time ago? Wouldn't that result in creating a new UserReference?
> If
> > > not,
> > > > > wouldn't this be considered a bug?
> > > >
> > > >There can be more than one factor involved with why this can
> happen,
> > > and
> > > >therefore hard to
> > > >eliminate.
> > > >
> > > >Keep in mind this problem plagues more web development platforms
> than
> > > just
> > > >Witango.
> > > >
> > > >This is more of a flaw in the Internet "architecture" brought
> about by
> > > the
> > > >addition of
> > > >user "convenience" - but that convenience is superseded now by
> > > security
> > > >concerns.
> > > >
> > > >Basically, in my opinion - just don't use <@USERREFERENCEARGUMENT>
> for
> > > any
> > > >reason.
> > > >
> > > >Hope this helpful. Cheers....
> > > >
> > > > > Stefan
> > > > >
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