Hey Gaetano,

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Gaetano Mendola <mend...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Our recommendation is that you should prefer CSS-based layouts
>>> whenever you can, and use layout managers only when CSS does not meet
>>> your requirements -- this message really hasn't changed since before
>>> the changes to layout managers.

     ^^^^^
     Perhaps you missed this ? We are not changing our recommendation
about this.

> We have choosen WT for a simple reason, and I guess other have adopted Wt
> for the same reason:
>
>   *Never ever put your hands in html/css coding*

> Please tell us that is not mandatory to use CSS-based layouts.

Of course, it's not mandatory to use CSS-based layouts.

The whole reason for the effort to rewrite layouts is because we (and
many customers) know they are useful. Even if you are not using
layouts in your code base, you probably are using them indirectly
because many widgets in Wt use layout managers internally (like
table/tree views, dialogs, ...).

Still, you should be aware that a layout manager reproduces many of
the computations that a browser already knows how to do, and does
well, simply because it also does a number of computations that the
browsers doesn't know how to do -- and there is no half/half solution
that works well (which is what we initially did with our layout
managers) and acts in a predictable way.

In our experience, while it is a learning curve, there are benefits in
using WTemplate-based layouts for certain types of projects (typical
database-CRUD applications, for example, with WTemplateFormView +
WFormModel).

> PS: We are still not able to port our application to new layout manager.

Can you provide a test-case for the part that is still not working ?
We have, I think, made excellent progress in making the new layout
managers behaving much more predictably than the old ones. When
working with customers through the problems we found that in many
cases it required removing code that worked around problems in the
past to get things behave properly.

Regards,
koen

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