<bringing-discussion-back-to-list>It is both useful to have others' opinions
and comments as well as a great opportunity for both of us to educate others on
what we know and what we are thinking</bringing-discussion-back-to-list>
Dandre, Pretty much every possible alteration can be done using transforms, but
that isn't something most users will be able to do without a lot of hand
holding, although certain solutions can be provided via
blogs/documentation/books/etc. I don't agree that the harvester is causing the
problem, it simply isn't providing an in-box solution to the problem (there are
lots of problems it doesn't "solve" out-of-the-box because every possibility is
a very large set). That is why I mentioned mutators (which is how this should
be solved whether by adding a new mutator in-box or by providing one for the
user otherwise). I say a new mutator should be used for this functionality
because that allows the solution to work for any type of harvest, whether file,
directory, or project. (As an aside, the support for transforms is provided via
a mutator). The mutator should accept arguments from the command-line so that
the user can designate which exe is the service and what the service's
properties should be. The other alternative that comes to mind would be to add
support to ComponentRef that would accept ServiceInstall and associated
elements as children, but that means you would need to know how the component
will be named by the harvester. Or, maybe a combination: a mutator that tags
the component of a specified file such that a ComponentRef can find it where
you can then add the service-related authoring. The overriding thing for 3.x is
that any changes to authoring or command-line options must be only additive, it
cannot change any behavior of any existing system. On a personal note, I'm
always open to criticism (as long as it's directed at my flawed thoughts and/or
expressions and not at my person). It makes me a better engineer because I
usually learn from it (eventually). BlairDate: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:15:40 +0200
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Refactor discussion
From: dandre...@gmail.com
To: os...@live.com
Hi Blair
If I understand you correctly, are you saying that the user specifies the xslt
and supplies it to the heat.exe app? I would not advise this especially if you
are working from visual studio. I think it should be something the tool needs
to sort out not the user. Letting the user specify an xslt isn't really solving
the problem but pushing it away and letting the user deal with it while it is
in fact the VSHarvester that is producing the problem in the first place. I
would offer two possible solutions :1. Either filter out the exe files so that
the user can specify them as per the Wix service control component way 2.
Specify the exe files with their control abilities so that VSHarvester will
produce the correct component info.
I would opt for 1 because it's much simpler and you don't have to alter the
interface of any application. Also it still gives the user the same Wix
usability and feel without adding any additional new steps. Using xslt to solve
nr 2 require the user to first understand why this is introduced, learn xslt
and you would have to alter the API of VSHarvester and/or heat.exe to fix this.
While this may have some extensibility favours, it can introduce issues with
maintainability as the compiler cannot pick up issues and point you to them
correctly, when you forgot to update the xslt.
I don't mean to criticise your opinion but I'm just raising some concerns or
may have.
Regards Dandre
Blair Murri <os...@live.com> wrote:
Isn't the user the one that controls the transforms?
If we are making/adding options we write in code instead of transforms, we are
talking mutators, which should have the ability to receive parameters so the
user can set the service behavior.
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:53:44 +0200
From: dandre...@gmail.com
To: wix-devs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Refactor discussion
Hi Blair
But doing so will make assumptions over how the user would want the service to
behave. I don't think its a good idea, unless one can update the WiX project
templates for Visual Studio to allow the user to insert the service behavior
that the user wants.
Regards,
Dandre
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Blair Murri <os...@live.com> wrote:
Another thought (for this case) is to use a transform with the harvester to
seek out and add the service markup to the component containing the EXE (using
XSLT).
Blair
From: r...@robmensching.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 12:25:44 -0700
To: wix-devs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Refactor discussion
Yeah, I don't know a better place to put such stuff.
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Dandre Jansen van Vuuren <dandre...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Rob
Regarding the harvester work, I know that you will look at this at 4.0, however
I have not made any interface-breaking changes, just internal cleanups (on the
WixVSExtension project). The behavior should stay the same except for a bug or
two that I've fixed. I'm also looking into generating output for a web
application by having the "bin" folder where all the binary files are placed.
I do want to ask a question going forward. If I wanted to specify which files
the harvester should filter out (not include in the generated file) for
technical reasons (will explain) what would be a good place to do so?
I have encountered that if you want to create a Windows NT Service installation
and I am using the harvester to locate and generate the relevant files for the
installation, it will include the EXE file, but I will need to specify the EXE
file in a component used to install the EXE as a service. This will cause a WiX
compiler error of having duplicate files specified. So I will have to let the
harvester ignore that EXE file.
A place that I thought would work is for the harvester to look in the project
file itself for files that should be ignored by the harvester. Wouldn't you
agree?
Let me know what your thoughts are.
Regards,
Dandre
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Rob Mensching <r...@robmensching.com> wrote:
4.0 will start at basically same time as 3.7. I do not expect a 3.8.
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Dandre <dandre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rob
Ok that sounds fine to me. I'll keep an eye on the project progress.Is there
going to be a 3.7 or 3.8 update before 4.0?
Regards
Dandre
On 15 May 2012, at 2:09, Rob Mensching <r...@robmensching.com> wrote:
This might be something to look at for WiX v4.0. Refactoring public interfaces
is definitely not a goal in WiX v3.x (breaking changes not at all allowed).
Right now it is about finishing Burn in v3.6.
A few months and we'll be on to new stuff.
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Dandre Jansen van Vuuren
<dandre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rob (or whomever this may concern)
Would you please have a look at the refactoring work I did in the fork called
'WixVSHarvesterEnhancements'? (Whenever you have time)
It involves the Visual Studio Harvester and the refactorings I made (not done
yet) to make it easier for additional enhancements (like harvesting project
references) and more readable (and hopefully maintainable).
Would you be interested in having a look to see if you would accept that as a
pull request once its done? I know there is still more cleanups to be done,
nevermind testing.
I don't want to continue if this never finds its way into the original wix
source. I understand that you don't just want someone changing the way and
style things are done and have it disrupted.
You can find the changes in the \src\ext\VSExtension\wixext path.
Shout if you need some explanation.
Much appreciated.
Thanks
Regards,
Dandre
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