Still requires a mouse...
From: doni.pra...@us.army.mil
To: wix-devs@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:37:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Useless, stupid rant
For what it’s worth, I’m a big TFS fan for the same reason. --doni From:
Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@iswix.com]
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 3:09 PM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list; WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Useless, stupid rant I've been a CM / ALM / build /
release engineer / consultant / architect for 17 years. I'm currently a
manager responsible for setting the developer tools vision for a Fortune 50
company with thousands of developers. I've worked either at or for dozens of
companies. I've used more SCC tools then I care to remember: CVS, RCS, PVCS,
VSS, Vault, ClearCase, TFS, SubVersion, StarTeam, Accurev.... probably a few
more I don't remember.
I am a big fan of TFS. It's not the best X, Y or Z but when you consider it
all together, it's pretty darn good. The whole centralized vs decentralized
source control argument is usually from developers with a Steve Jobs syndrome
when it comes to ALM. They read a couple blogs and suddenly think they know
everything. When I counter their arguments they just whine about argument of
authority.
Microsoft just posted their hosted TFS pricing and it's crazy good. For the
cost of a monthly cell phone plan I can give someone a license of Visual Studio
and an ALM in a box with build server. In 5 minutes I can create an MVC app,
package it up in an MSI using WiX and deploy it to a VM for testing. It's that
crazy good.
Anyways, Blair... I hear you and agree with you. But in some places the
developers run the show and you'll see Git or whatever next cool source control
is popular. Anyways as long as TFS gets all their other pieces to integrate
nicely with a Git provider.... then I'll be fine with that too.
From: "Bruce Cran" <br...@cran.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 12:51 PM
To: "WiX toolset developer mailing list" <wix-devs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Useless, stupid rantOn 11/15/2013 6:42 PM, Hoover,
Jacob wrote:Blair, It would help if you were to provide more details on why
you got so frustrated. I switched to git over two years ago, and compared to
our previous version control I’m nothing but ecstatic for git. I’m betting the
HG experience has you thinking the VCS should work one why, when in fact it
works another. Sharing experiences here could lead to answers that others may
need in the future in order to contribute to WIX.
I've used both Hg and Git, and the user interface for Hg seems more logical.
Having said that, after a few weeks of total frustration I started to
understand how Git works (fetch, merge, checkout, add, commit, rebase), and
ended up being able to use it quite efficiently. I do like that things like
history editing is built-in whereas with Hg it's an extension.
In the past I've used cvs, svn, ClearCase and some other SCM, so I don't think
it's familiarity with a way of working that tripped me up.
--
Bruce Cran
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