Usually when management says they don't want to rely on software solutions that 
may disappear in a short time frame ... what they
are really saying is they don't want to rely on their staff to get them from 
one software solution to another when the original
disappears.

It sounds like you have a pure business decision countering technological 
merit.  Just ask them point blank if they trust the staff
to move them where they need to go over time.  The answer is either yes or no 
and you will know where you stand.  Just be prepared
not to like the answer.

Dave Williamson
Clear Sky Software
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.clearskysoftware.com





-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jaap de Wolff
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:34 AM
To: steve baker; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] help convincing management to use wix

Maybe a strong argument is telling them how commercially supported
applications is working in the real world.

As an example: A few years ago we discovered there was a bug in the
MS COM component. This problem was a show stopper for us.
We have a nice contract with MS that allows us to send them problem
reports, and they will do what they can.
But before they look at the problem report you have to reproduce it
from scratch, on a machine containing only MS software, and your software.
This means that you have to install operating system etc. before you
even can send an error report.
After you have sent an error report, they first look if it is a known
problem (what mostly isn't, because we, developers, know how to google).
Then after a few weeks they try to reproduce it. And then they confirm
that there is a bug. (Look in there knowledge base how many confirmed,
unresolved bugs there are).
In our case, they even made a solution, a special patch we could do on
the system (This was about two months after we reported the bug).
And the best part: With SP2 the bug came back, and we had to report
the same error once again.
Now in Open Source land: When I report a bug, on a mailing list, within
a few days there is always someone who can tell me in what module the
problem is located, and, because I am a developer, I am able to look at
it, if no one else does.
We use in our company a lot of open source software, and with small
problems, there was always a solution within a week.

Jaap

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of steve baker
> Sent: donderdag 1 juni 2006 21:12
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [WiX-users] help convincing management to use wix
>
>
> hi all,
>
> i have been a long time wix user. my current employer uses wise to
> build msi installations. i have used wise and installshield
> extensively and have nothing good to say about either of them.
>
> part of my current job is to help rework our installer process. i have
> proposed wix. our install builder has also researched wix at my
> request and would like to switch. our managment does not want to use
> wix because it is not a "commercially supported application". i have
> talked about the mailing list and tremendous community support to no
> avail.
>
> what i would like at this point is ideas from anyone out there to help
> convince management to let us switch. names of large corporations that
> are using wix, products inside of microsoft that have built thier
> installations with wix, anything :)
>
> TIA :)
>
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