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From: Evans, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Proposed adjustments the WiX v2 and WiX v3 roadmap.
To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset."
<wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 7:43 AM
As per Rob's suggestion, here's a letter to the SQL team RE: the SQL
Express installer.
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Dear SQL Server Team:
SQL Server 2005 Express Edition has become a platform that many
developers have come to count on in building applications. It provides a
flexible, redistributable database engine, suitable for the creation of
database applications.
One problem many developers face is in the deployment of their
solutions. Currently, there is no way to seamlessly integrate the setup
of SQL Server 2005 Express Edition into the setup of a developer's
application. The developer is forced to either install silently,
providing the user with no progress feedback during the installation;
install with minimal UI, which displays a non-integrated progress meter
for a suboptimal end user experience; or to force the user to install
SQL Server 2005 Express Edition as a separate install prerequisite. None
of these options are palatable for developers wishing to provide a
smooth, integrated installation experience for their users.
The .NET Framework redistributable had much the same problem until
version 3.0. Beginning with the 3.0 version, the framework bootstrapper
responds to an argument passed on the command line (the /progress
switch) which allows the developer to register for progress messages
transmitted back to his code via a named pipe. A whitepaper describing
how developers can take advantage of their approach is available on the
MSDN website (found at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa663365.aspx at the time of
this writing). Implementing a similar solution for the SQL Server
Express Edition installer would go a long way toward helping developers
who need to use the product, but would like to present their users with
a custom setup UI.
Looking toward the future, the WiX toolset is looking to add a custom
bootstrapper in a future version. Without a progress reporting solution
in place, consumers of that bootstrapper will not be able to seamlessly
integrate SQL Server Express Edition into their setups. Please consider
this a request to implement what should be a low-cost, low-risk feature
into the SQL Server installer.
Sincerely,
Jim Evans, Numara Software
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Proposed adjustments the WiX v2 and WiX v3
roadmap.
If you write it, I'll add my name. I'd even be happy to try to find
the
right people to send it to. <smile/>
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:16
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Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Proposed adjustments the WiX v2 and WiX v3
roadmap.
RE: SQL Express installer progress:
I only recently learned of the .NET Framework's installation progress
solution, and am planning on using it. As near as I can tell, SQL
Express does not provide a similar solution, so I guess we should start
working on that letter. <grin/>
-----Original Message-----
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Mensching
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:13 PM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Proposed adjustments the WiX v2 and WiX v3
roadmap.
There is a feature planned to provide progress to parent processes of
the bootstrapper. The .NET Framework does this already, we'll probably
do the identical thing (presuming it is rich enough). I don't know if
SQL Express does the same... if not, then the progress for that
component will be dismal and we should all collectively send a letter to
the team to ask them to implement a solution like the .NET Framework.
<grin/>
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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:02
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Proposed adjustments the WiX v2 and WiX v3
roadmap.
Bob Arnson wrote:
> It's unlikely to change the date when the bootstrapper becomes
> available. Working on it in the v4 branch gives us the flexibility to
> ship it in stages and not be "forced" to do a more limited
release
just
> to ship v3. Also note that there's nothing that ties the bootstrapper
to
> a particular build of WiX; you can easily use v3 to build your setups
> and v4 for the bootstrapper.
Fair enough. I'm at the point in my project where I was hoping that I
didn't have to build my own bootstrapper. I guess I'll refactor when
the
bootstrap framework is available.
> What aspects of the design are you interested in? The biggest piece is
> all internal: e.g., how the worker thread handles installations and
> communicates progress with the UX thread.
Communicating progress is really one of the things I struggle with. How
do you communicate progress with "wrapped" package installations? In
other words, if I wanted to bootstrap a prerequisite package that the
manufacturer distributes only as an executable setup.exe (not a
standalone MSI file)* to provide my user with a unified installation
experience, how does your design propose to allow me to do that?
*Examples of said packages are the .NET Framework installer and the SQL
Server 2005 Express installer. Both are common prerequisites for
applications, both are MSI-based installs, but do not provide standalone
.MSI installers. Unifying the installation experience for applications
that install these packages is difficult-to-impossible.
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