Lack of welcome page is what I find retrograde. I guess it is personal opinion,
I am quite happy with both the welcome and licence dialogs - it is what other
installs do so I prefer not to show my users something different. Jumping
straight to licence just looks odd as I haven't seen it before and I had to
explain the change to testers and tell them it wasn't a bug.
(As a side issue I would like to see the licence dialog being optional in the
standard WiX release but that is just so I don't have to code it myself - it is
also something that is regularly requested on the user list.)
Neil
Neil Sleightholm
X2 Systems Limited
n...@x2systems.com <mailto:n...@x2systems.com>
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From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com]
Sent: Mon 29/11/2010 00:39
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page
What do you find retrograde? The license page or the lack of welcome page?
Personally, I find clicking through a bunch of pages just to get the install
started "retrograde". Wizard'97 was a long time ago, I think we can move
beyond it.
The first page clearly needs to say what is being installed. Ideally, the
"Install" button should be availble as well. If you have to have a license
before the Install button can do it's thing, then so be it. After that,
progress is probably required (unless your install is fast enough to not
need it). Then, it seems, you still need a final confirmation whether the
install succeeded or failed. I still would like to push in the direction
that instead of a success page that the application just launch right away
(there are problems with that).
Everything after the above are options and ideally users never have to deal
with them (yes, there are exceptions but try designing your application to
not need them).
Attached is a picture of the WiX initial install. The title says "Windows
Installer XML Toolset 3.5 Setup" and the title says "Please read the Windows
Installer XML Toolset 3.5 License Agreement". I suppose we could make the
product name flashier or in bigger text.
In WiX v3.6 the product name is huge and I'm experimenting with the install
experience more. Again, I think clicking "Next" a bunch of times when there
is nothing to do isn't an experience we should strive for.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Neil Sleightholm <n...@x2systems.com>wrote:
> I don't believe the WiX 3.5 install says what is being installed on the
> licence page in the same way the welcome page does.
>
> The problem I have is that 90% of the installs I write don't need and
> licence page (they are internal apps) - personally I think the licence
> should be optional but I guess it is too late to do this for 3.5. I
> can't see how to stop this next page function - can it be made optional?
>
> In my opinion I think this is really confusing and a retrograde step but
> would be interested to see what others think.
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com]
> Sent: 28 November 2010 18:02
> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page
>
> The license page should also tell you what is being installed. If not,
> it should.
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Sean Farrow
> <sean.far...@seanfarrow.co.uk>wrote:
>
> > Hi Neil:
> > I can verify this behaviour, on a newly installing package. As
> > somebody that is visual impaired and relies on alternative output
> > mechanisms, (speech synthesis and Braille) this is very unnerving. Is
> > there a way to disable this behaviour?
> > Cheers
> > Sean.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com]
> > Sent: 28 November 2010 16:03
> > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
> > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page
> >
> > I think I see now, if I run an install that is not installed it goes
> > straight to the licence. If it is installed the Welcome page is shown
> > and you have to click Next to get to other pages.
> >
> > I have to say this doesn't feel right to me, the Welcome page tells
> > you what you are installing and this is lost now.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com]
> > Sent: 28 November 2010 15:21
> > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
> > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page
> >
> > Bob is the expert in the UI but that behavior sounds correct to me.
> > I've been pushing to get rid of as many clicks in the installation
> > sequence as possible. No reason to have a user click Next on a welcome
>
> > screen unless there is some useful information on the welcome screen.
> > <smile/>
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Neil Sleightholm
> > <n...@x2systems.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone else noticed installs built with WiX 3.5 jump from the
> > > welcome page to the licence page without you clicking Next? I have
> > > seen this happen a few times but cannot reproduce it, it did it once
>
> > > with the Wix35.msi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Neil Sleightholm
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