I'm not sure why there is any controversy. The VC redist installs the policy modules anyway. A mixed situation where some use the redist, some use the code merge module, and some use code+policy is too unpredictable, and this is one of the things that happens.
Anyone that wants a private copy of the C++ Dlls can install them in the application local folder - that's the way to avoid the impact that some appear worried about: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235299(v=vs.100).aspx and keep in mind that any time MS issues a support or security fix to any of the runtimes then the system-wide ones will get updated anyway, including policy redirection, and any private runtime copies would need product patches to avoid the possibility of their use of the compromised runtimes bring exploited. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Blair Murri <os...@live.com> wrote: > Orca. Check the file table. All the binaries will (every time I've looked) > have the same version. > > > From: laasu...@hotmail.com > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:07:53 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Merge module not working > > > > I am happy to include the policy merge module (for now). > > > > I appreciate that using the policy module can be a debatable topic. > Maybe that is why I suggested changing the line in the howto, because it > suggestes it is straightforward. Maybe rather very breifly explain the pros > and cons of using policy. That might have saved me some time. Just my > opinion. > > > > The build binary uses verson 8.0.50727.762 of the standard libs. I did > not understand howto determine msm version? Where do I view msm metadata? > Tryed explorer and visual studio but neither gave me any info. > > > > regards, Lars > > > > > From: os...@live.com > > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 23:37:57 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Merge module not working > > > > > > There is a fair bit of debate about the propriety of including the > policy MSMs. Some argue that they should be included (MS does ship them as > MSMs, after all) so that everyone will benefit from whatever the > latest-and-greatest the user happens to install (i.e. increase the coverage > of MSFT security fixes). Others counter that including the policy MSM can > cause other installed software to fail because it changes the runtime that > those other already installed applications to load, and they may be > depending on some undocumented or unanticipated "feature" that was changed > in some subsequent fix. > > > > > > In other words, adding the policy MSM can cause other people's code to > break (just because the user installed yours). You can usually get yours to > work without the policy MSM by making your code build against the updated > libs that the MSM you are distributing were built with. > > > > > > That was the root of my question. What revision of the libs are you > building against (you can see this in the manifest embedded in your > binaries) vs what are you shipping in the MSM (you can see this in the > metadata in the MSM)? > > > > > > > From: laasu...@hotmail.com > > > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:16:47 +0200 > > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Merge module not working > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > > > > > Adding the policy merge module solved the issue. > > > > > > > > I would consider updating the > http://wix.sourceforge.net/manual-wix3/install_vcredist.htm page, either > update this line "There is generally no need to include the policy MSMs as > part of the installation." or describe the purpose of the policy msm very > briefly. > > > > > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:46:11 -0700 > > > > > From: phildgwil...@gmail.com > > > > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Merge module not working > > > > > > > > > > A couple of other things to look at, assuming you've looked at > Blair's > > > > > comment: > > > > > > > > > > One issue with these SxS Dlls is that the policy merge module > makes a > > > > > difference. IIRC, the VC redist exe will install the Dlls and the > policy > > > > > file that redirects requests to the appropriate Dll. So I'd add > the policy > > > > > merge module. > > > > > > > > > > The other issue is that the VC redist installs everything. For > example, if > > > > > your code has a dependency on the MFC or ATL Dlls then the CRT by > itself is > > > > > not enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Blair Murri <os...@live.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Did the merge module come from the same service pack level of > Visual > > > > > > Studio as was used to build the application? > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: laasu...@hotmail.com > > > > > > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:34:36 +0200 > > > > > > > Subject: [WiX-users] Merge module not working > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Wix 3.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I added Microsoft_VC80_CRT_x86.msm merge module to my wix setup > > > > > > according to > http://wix.sourceforge.net/manual-wix3/install_vcredist.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tested the new msi file on a clean WinXP SP3 machine. > Installed the > > > > > > product and when I started the application I get "The > application failed to > > > > > > initalize properly (oxc0150002). Click on Ok to terminate the > application". > > > > > > > I downloaded and installed "Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 > Redistributable > > > > > > Package (x86)" on the test computer and the application then > works. > > > > > > > So I try to diff the usage of merge module and redistribuable. > > > > > > > - Both approaches creates the folder > > > > > > > "C:\WINDOWS\WinSys\x86_Microsoft.VC80.CRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_8.0.50727.762_x-ww_6b128700" > > > > > > > - Both approaches add the same three files to the folder > (msvcm80.dll, > > > > > > msvcp80.dll, msvcr80.dll) > > > > > > > - Diff'ed the files added by merge module and redistribuable > and they > > > > > > are binary equal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So why doesn't merge module work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have added the wix configuration below. > > > > > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> > > > > > > > <Wix xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/wix/2006/wi";> > > > > > > > <Product Id="490F391C-336C-4a47-A7F6-587B2C92AC92" > > > > > > > Language="1033" > > > > > > > Manufacturer="MyCompany" > > > > > > > Name="MyName" > > > > > > > UpgradeCode="E5B47089-C70D-46bd-AA9C-D222CFE9A699" > > > > > > > Version="1.0.0.0"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Package Compressed="yes" InstallerVersion="300" /> > > > > > > > <Media Id="1" Cabinet="product.cab" EmbedCab="yes" /> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Directory Id="TARGETDIR" Name="SourceDir"> > > > > > > > <Directory Id="ProgramFilesFolder"> > > > > > > > <Directory Id="INSTALLLOCATION" Name="MyCompany"> > > > > > > > <Component Id="cmp829B7EDF9835ECFBEB6B7A5E00D6B29F" > Guid="*"> > > > > > > > <File Id="filD32196FBAB143D1B642565E64AFE743C" > KeyPath="yes" > > > > > > Source="C:\path\bin\MyLibrary.dll" /> > > > > > > > </Component> > > > > > > > </Directory> > > > > > > > </Directory> > > > > > > > </Directory> > > > > > > > <DirectoryRef Id="TARGETDIR"> > > > > > > > <Merge Id="VCRedist" > > > > > > SourceFile="C:\Path1\Path2\Microsoft_VC80_CRT_x86.msm" DiskId="1" > > > > > > Language="0"/> > > > > > > > </DirectoryRef> > > > > > > > <Feature Id="ProductFeature" Level="1" Title="MyTitle"> > > > > > > > <ComponentRef Id="cmp829B7EDF9835ECFBEB6B7A5E00D6B29F" /> > > > > > > > <MergeRef Id="VCRedist"/> > > > > > > > </Feature> > > > > > > > </Product> > > > > > > > </Wix> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! > > > > > > > It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. > > > > > > > Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with <2% > overhead. > > > > > > > Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > WiX-users mailing list > > > > > > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > > > > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, > insights, > > > > > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance > Management. > > > > > > Visit us today! > > > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > WiX-users mailing list > > > > > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > > > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > > > > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance > Management. > > > > > Visit us today! > > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > WiX-users mailing list > > > > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > > > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance > Management. > > > > Visit us today! > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WiX-users mailing list > > > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance > Management. > > > Visit us today! > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WiX-users mailing list > > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. > > Visit us today! > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and > AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, > analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. > Visit us today! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > -- Phil Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
