Rob- Thanks for the lengthy reply. I feel like I need to read it about a dozen times more to have a chance of getting everything in there. Not tonight, though.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Rob Mensching <r...@robmensching.com>wrote: > If all you're going to do is exec a bunch of batch files and vbscripts then > the InnoSetup executable is probably a *far* better idea. Those scripting > platforms are not the way to go to create a robust installation. > > However, if you were to integrate fully with the Windows Installer (which > is admittedly more work and requires a lot more understanding) then you'd > get functionality like rollback, error reporting, patching, resource > sharing, publishing/assigning. You'd also end up with a far less complex > installer... once you got the declarative parts all in place. > > It is too bad that the WiX toolset doesn't come with Ini file manipulation > extension already. I think many people must create private one off > solutions and never consider contributing back to the WiX toolset so no one > ever has to implement that again. > > Back in 2001 I wrote custom actions for configuring IIS, SQL, users, file > shares. I contributed them to the WiX toolset and for over a decade others > have benefited with all the functionality I described above (rollback, > patching, resource sharing, etc) by just adding a few lines of XML. We've > had some contributions since (Bob did gaming extension and internet > shortcut, and Fredrik gave us COM+ and MSMQ) but there are many more > opportunities for people to contribute and make each other's future lives > much better. > > So, anyway, the answer is you'd end up with a far more robust installer by > doing as the others suggested. It will take more work up front because no > one has contributed the Ini custom actions already. If you wanted to do the > work and get Ini custom actions created, feel free to jump on the > wix-d...@lists.sourceforge.net mailing list. That's where people the below > were pointing you. > > Or you could just hack it and deal with the issues you'll probably see. In > that case, I encourage you to test install, install rollback, uninstall, > uninstall rollback, repair, repair rollback, and major upgrade. There are > probably more scenarios to think about but I don't tend to remember them > all since I try to write the custom actions as the Windows Installer SDK > recommends and then it all just works together. > > By the way, these recommendations aren't unique to the Windows Installer. > They're applicable to any installation technology you use. It's just people > using the Windows Installer tend to expect all those fundamental scenarios > to work so the bar is a bit higher. That's why corporations tend to > standardize on the Windows Installer. The Windows Installer makes their > life easier. That seems fair to me. Hopefully, there are (many, manymore > people installing your software than there are building it... which means > saving the customer problems by taking on the work in development is a good > trade (economically speaking). > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Walter Dexter <wfdex...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I totally understand what you're saying. But... > > > > As far as I can tell, I'm going to have to do custom actions to do a > bunch > > of the stuff that Inno does easily. Like updating an INI file or running > a > > program. > > > > If I move everything out of Inno to WiX that an MSI can do natively - > which > > appears to really just be registry settings, files and directories - what > > do I lose by keeping the stuff that has to be a custom action inside an > > Inno and treating that Inno as a single custom action? > > > > What I gain is that I have an Inno setup that I know already works, and > > when it gives troubles, I have an environment that lets me do some > > interactive debugging. > > > > If I write a C# custom action DLL (which seems like a lot of work) all > it's > > going to do is a bunch of "Exec" commands to run other installers, batch > > files and VBScripts. > > > > I'm fairly MSI and WiX naive. That's why I'm asking - I just totally > don't > > understand what I gain by doing it "right" with a DLL for custom actions > > versus delivering an executable that does the stuff I want to do that > > happens to have been created with Inno Setup. > > > > Honestly, your response didn't add much to my understanding, but I'm sure > > it's more me than you. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Christopher Painter <chr...@iswix.com > > >wrote: > > > > > IMO it's crazy. You have to ask yourself WHY Windows Installer is the > > > corporate standard in the first place. MSI is transactional, > > declarative, > > > rich in meta data and transformable with standardized behaviors. You > lose > > > all of that when you choose to use it merely as a glorified ZIP and do > > > everything else out of process. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > From: "Walter Dexter" <wfdex...@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 7:21 PM > > > To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset." > > > <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > Subject: [WiX-users] What is the downside to this? > > > > > > I'm working on transitioning from Inno Setup to WiX due to corporate > > > standards. > > > > > > I have some Inno that are fairly complex, running programs, setting INI > > > values, registry settings, etc. > > > > > > If I set the Inno to not make itself uninstallable, I could just move > the > > > files out of it to an MSI, include the action-only Inno in the MSI, and > > > run > > > it as a custom action. The MSI would install files and the embedded > Inno > > > would do the other stuff. > > > > > > Does that make any sense at all? 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