2009/9/22 Carlos R. Mafra <[email protected]> > On Tue 22.Sep'09 at 14:56:18 +0200, Tamas TEVESZ wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Carlos R. Mafra wrote: > > > > > On Tue 22.Sep'09 at 13:43:25 +0200, Tamas TEVESZ wrote: > > > > and i still am standing by my opinion that basic functionality > should > > > > be built in. > > > > > > This a delicate point. What people consider "basic functionality" can > > > be discussed ad infinitum, and in the end I see little chances of > > > agreement. > > > > indeed. my point is, if there is a run dialog (whether it is the > > current one, or some other, with more functionality), it should be > > built in. > > Ah ok! And just to emphasize, my point is that there should be > a limit to what "basic functionality" is allowed to be. > > On the one hand, once you have some functionality it is a > driving force to add more things on top of it, leading to > bloat. On the other hand, if you have something which can > be better, why can't it be better? The wisdom lies on where > to draw the line. > > For example, one of the things I like about a shell is the > "show all if ambiguous" functionality of tab completion. > I fear someone might think this is a cool thing to have in > the run dialog too, and make it open a small window showing > all possible completions when they are ambiguous, and then > somebody else will say "oh it will be cool if I can choose > one of them using vi-like keyboard movements" on so on. > > It can be a hard thing to stop once you start moving, as > Newton already knew quite some time ago. > > Window managers have become desktop environments over time. WMaker provides a dock and a clip, so its not just a *window* manager.
While I agree that not everything should be built in (that would reduce configuration flexibility), I think it should be easy to set up wmaker to do the stuff that you want it to do. eg, I have no idea how to make the launch.app or run dialog to appear on my screen. I'd like to be able to open a config box (a windowmaker one), and turn on the option or whatever. instead, i'll have to go find the app, read about it, maybe install xbindkeys or whatever, configure that, etc etc. simple, fast, easy, thats windowmaker. if we can make it more SFE, then great. if that means building something in, then so be it. please, make it easy for me to use a run dialog when i dont even know how to install it. -- from a user who wants some things to just work
