"a world where the global supply of
savings is shrinking"


The best advice you told me is, That the more moeny I have the more
that I can do to help others, So Ive been working double time so now I
can buy gifts for others and still save for that rainy day that no
doubt will come.

On Nov 27, 9:10 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My comment: Again a waterfall model. They put funds on top of the
> banks in the faith that somehow, through magics, spells, or any other
> ritual, it will fall toward main street, toward the real economy.
>
> Again, they walk with one leg (financials), they dismiss the other
> leg, economy. Again a top-down approach.
>
> To put funds into stock markets, credit cards, etc. anything works for
> them except where funds create real wealth such as building wind
> mills, railways, cheap houses for the people who lose their former
> homes, etc. even subsidiasing mortagages in default, subsidiasing
> interest rates for acquisition of durable goods, machinery, etc.
>
> Development is always from below.
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>
> Desperate Measures by Desperate Policy Makers in Desperate Times: the
> Fed Moves to Radically Unorthodox Policies as Economy Is in Free Fall
> and Stag-Deflation Deepens
>
> Nouriel Roubini | Nov 26, 2008
>
> http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/254591/desperate_measures_by_d...
>
> Another batch of worse than awful news greeted today Americans getting
> ready for the Thanksgiving holiday: free falling consumption spending,
> collapsing new homes sales, falling consumer confidence, very high
> initial claims for unemployment benefits, collapsing orders for
> durable goods. It is hard to get any worse than this but the next few
> months will serve even worse macro news. At this rate of contraction
> as revealed by the latest data it would not be surprising if fourth
> quarter GDP were to fall at an annualized rate of 5-6%.
>
> Let us discuss next the financial consequences of such desperate news
> and the desperate policy actions undertaken to stem this nasty stag-
> deflation…
>
> Equity markets have shrugged off today’s and the last week awful news
> based on a variety of factors: President Elect Obama choosing a first
> rate economic team; a major fiscal package to be passed by Congress as
> soon as the new administration takes power; the bailout of Citigroup
> at terms that – while being a royal rip-off for the US taxpayers –
> they lead to a bailout of not only the unsecured debtors of Citi but
> also of the common shareholders; and, most importantly, the Fed,
> Treasury and FDIC now moving to radical unorthodox policy actions to
> deal with the credit crunch.
>
> As discussed last week in this forum the threat of stag-deflation
> (recession/stagnation and deflation) and of debt deflation has already
> forced the Fed into a liquidity trap as the Fed Funds rate is
> effectively close to 0% and an informal policy of “quantitative
> easing” has already started has the Fed has flooded financial markets
> with over $2 trillion of liquidity. And as argued here last week the
> Fed would be forced into more radical and unorthodox “crazy” policies
> to prevent deflation, debt deflation and a nasty credit crunch.
> Indeed, as I predicted then in my piece The Deadly Dirty D-Words:
> “Deflation”, “Debt Deflation” and “Defaults”. And How Central Banks
> Will Have to Resort to “Crazy” Policies as We Have Reached Such
> Bermuda Triangle of a “Liquidity Trap” :
>
> “now a desperate Treasury is starting to think about using the
> remaining TARP funds to directly unclog the unsecured consumer debt
> (credit cards, student loans, auto loans) market and the
> securitization of such debt. Desperate times required desperate and
> extreme actions.
>
> Even “Crazier” Policy Actions Are Required to Reduce Long Term Market
> Interest Rates
>
> But even more desperate or “crazier” monetary actions are needed to
> address the increase in real long term market rates. These actions are
> needed to prevent deflation from setting in, to reduce the credit
> spread (the difference between long term market rates and long term
> government bond yields) and to reduce the yield curve spread (the
> difference between long term government bond yields and the policy
> rate)….
>
> Next, the Fed could try to directly affect the credit spread (the
> spread between long term market rates and long term government bond
> yields). Radical actions could take the form of: outright purchases of
> corporate bonds (high yield and high grade); outright purchases of
> mortgages and private and agency MBS as well as agency debt; forcing
> Fannie and Freddie to vastly expand their portfolios by buying and/or
> guaranteeing more mortgages and bundles of mortgages; one could decide
> to directly subsidize mortgages with fiscal resources; the Fed (or
> Treasury) could even go as far as directly intervening in the stock
> market via direct purchases of equities as a way to boost falling
> equity prices. Some of such policy actions seem extreme but they were
> in the playbook that Governor Bernanke described in his 2002 speech on
> how to avoid deflation. They all imply serious risks for the Fed and
> concerns about market manipulation. Such risks include the losses that
> the Fed could incur in purchasing long term private securities,
> especially high yield junk bonds of distressed corporations. In the
> commercial paper fund the Fed refused to purchase non-investment grade
> securities. Even high grade corporate bonds are not without risk as
> their spread have massively widened in recent months from 50bps over
> Treasuries to levels in the 500bps plus range. Also pushing the
> insolvent Fannie and Freddie to take even more credit risk may be a
> reckless policy choice. And having a government trying to manipulate
> stock prices would create another whole can of worms of conflicts and
> distortions.
>
> Finally, the Fed could try to follow aggressive policies to attempt to
> prevent deflation from setting in: massive quantitative easing;
> flooding markets with unlimited unsterilized liquidity; talking down
> the value of the dollar; direct and massive intervention in the forex
> to weaken the dollar; vast increase of the swap lines with foreign
> central banks (an indirect and disguised form of forex intervention)
> aimed to prevent a strengthening of the dollar; attempts to target the
> price level or the inflation rate via aggressive preemptive
> monetization; or even a money-financed budget deficit (an idea
> suggested by Bernanke in 2002 that he termed to be the equivalent of
> an “helicopter drop” of money in the economy).
>
> And this week, indeed, the Fed, together with the Treasury, started to
> implement some of the “crazier” policy actions that we discussed last
> week: a) outright purchases of agency debt and MBS to the tune of a
> whopping $600 billion; b) another $200 billion of loans to backstop
> the consumer and small business credit markets (credit cards, auto
> loans, student loans, small business loans); c) an effective policy of
> aggressive quantitative easing as the balance sheet of the Fed –
> already grown from $800 billion to over $2 trillion – will be expanded
> further as most of the new bailout actions and new programs will be
> financed via injections of liquidity rather than issuance of public
> debt.
>
> Effectively the Fed Funds rate has been abandoned as a tool of
> monetary policy as we are already effectively at the zero-bound for
> the policy rate that signals a liquidity trap; and the Fed is now
> relying on massive quantitative easing and direct purchases of private
> sector short term and long term debts to try to aggressively push down
> short term and long term market rates.
>
> No wonder that, after announcing $600 billion of purchases of agency
> debt and MBS the rate on 30 year mortgage rates has fallen overnite by
> 75bps. Even that radical fall in mortgage rates – the largest daily
> move in decades – will be of small comfort to debt burdened households
> as only those who qualify for refinancing will be able to do that and
> the total average monthly savings on mortgage debt service would
> amount to a modest $150.
>
> Desperate times and desperate economic news require desperate policy
> actions, even more desperate than any “desperate housewife” could
> dream of. The Treasury will be issuing in the next two years about $2
> trillion of additional debt (on top of having to refinance and
> rollover another $1 trillion of maturing debt) while the Fed/Treasury/
> FDIC are taking on a massive amount of credit risk via outright
> bailouts and guarantees (TAF, TSLF, PDCF, ABCPFFFMLM, TALF, TARP, Bear
> Stears, AIG, Citigroup, TALF and another half a dozen new facilities
> and programs). These policies – however partially necessary – will
> eventually leads to much higher real interest rates on the public debt
> and weaken the US dollar once this tsunami of implicit and explicit
> public liabilities and monetary debt driven by rising twin fiscal and
> current account deficits will hit a world where the global supply of
> savings is shrinking – as most countries moves to fiscal deficits thus
> reducing global savings – and foreign investors start to ponder the
> long term sustainability of the US domestic and external liabilities.
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