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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Trailling Slash Problem in Inline Image Uploading (is it
a JS problem?) (Andy Skelton)
2. Re: Quote? ( [EMAIL PROTECTED])
3. Re: Quote? (Doug Stewart)
4. Re: Quote? (Andy Skelton)
5. Re: Quote? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
6. is the comment counter broken? (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
7. Re: Quote? (rich boakes)
8. Re: Deleting Categories (Matt Mullenweg)
9. Error in stock 3149 (Robert Gormley)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:01:47 -0600
From: Andy Skelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Trailling Slash Problem in Inline Image
Uploading (is it a JS problem?)
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Yes, it's a JS problem. The bug was submitted to the TinyMCE team via
Sourceforge.
Andy Skelton
http://andy.wordpress.com
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:04:58 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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I think both would be great, because there are a lot of times when I quote
some text, and then also when writing like a mock letter its nice to have
things indented.
> I think the problem here is that, symantically, "indent" and "quote"
> are two wholly different beasts. "Indent" is simple formatting - I
> could conceive of several good situations in which one would want to
> simply indent text. "Quoting", however, has a very specific
> connotation - you are sourcing someone else's words and, as such, it
> should be marked up differently, at least by convention.
>
> I heartily advocate for both a "quote" and an "indent" button if that
> will please all comers, but if it's one or the other, I'd adamantly
> hold that "quote" is the proper of the two.
>
> On 11/17/05, Austin Matzko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 11/17/05, Andy Skelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>> > The common method for inserting a blockquote in IE and Mozilla is
>> > document.execCommand("Indent"...), which is why many WYSIWYG editors
>> > call it Indent. The Outdent command is similar.
>>
>> That's fine, but the ordinary user is going to end up producing
>> blockquote tags to style his or her text with indentation (which may
>> or may not work, depending on the css). Encouraging this seems out of
>> character for WordPress; after all, the bundled themes include links
>> to XHTML validators.
>>
>> Since a relatively simple yet semantically correct solution is
>> available for indentation, why does TinyMCE do this?
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:12:30 -0500
From: Doug Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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All due respect, Owen, but semantics _do_ matter. The default theme
outputs blockquotes styled with quotes. If the WYSIWYG editor is
outputting <blockquote>, then newbies will start asking "Why are my
indents all showing up with quote marks?" in the fora.
I think that those on the design/implementation side of things MUST be
pedantic and think through their actions, lest they incur all manner
of unforseen consequences down the line.
My $2/100.
-Doug Stewart
On 11/17/05, Owen Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doug Stewart wrote:
> > I think the problem here is that, symantically, "indent" and "quote"
> > are two wholly different beasts. "Indent" is simple formatting - I
> > could conceive of several good situations in which one would want to
> > simply indent text. "Quoting", however, has a very specific
> > connotation - you are sourcing someone else's words and, as such, it
> > should be marked up differently, at least by convention.
>
> This discussion has become pedantic (or maybe it started that way).
>
> If you have a true concern over which tags are used, you should not use
> the WYSIWYG editor. You should use the textarea and write out your own
> tags as you desire.
>
> The WYSI editor is great for the majority of ordinary users who, in my
> completely unresearched opinion, don't give a damn what we geeks mean
> when we say "semantic markup".
>
> Owen
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:19:10 -0600
From: Andy Skelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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On 11/17/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think both would be great, because there are a lot of times when I quote
> some text, and then also when writing like a mock letter its nice to have
> things indented.
This does not create a first-line indent, as your mention of a mock
letter would seem to suggest.
Andy Skelton
http://andy.wordpress.com
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:36:18 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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Right I am saying usually when I have indented things it is when I write a
letter and indent the text... I was thinking that it would be nice so
when you clicked indent it would just kick your text over on that line
ONLY kind of like hitting the tab key in Word. Also it should be
differenet from the blockquote since it will add the " to it be default.
> On 11/17/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think both would be great, because there are a lot of times when I
>> quote
>> some text, and then also when writing like a mock letter its nice to
>> have
>> things indented.
>
> This does not create a first-line indent, as your mention of a mock
> letter would seem to suggest.
>
> Andy Skelton
> http://andy.wordpress.com
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:55:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Hisashi T Fujinaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [wp-testers] is the comment counter broken?
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For some reason the comment count isn't incrementing.
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Hisashi T Fujinaka - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:06:44 +0000
From: rich boakes < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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Owen Winkler wrote:
>
> If you have a true concern over which tags are used, you should not use
> the WYSIWYG editor. You should use the textarea and write out your own
> tags as you desire.
My observation, on seeing this discussion
unfold, is that the issue is not about how "we"
markup "our" content; it's about the implied
meaning that WordPress might impose on the
creations of others.
> The WYSI editor is great for the majority of ordinary users who, in my
> completely unresearched opinion, don't give a damn what we geeks mean
> when we say "semantic markup".
The issue that Doug appears to be describing is
_not_ about whether the user cares or not, it's
just about the correct thing to do.
An example:
Whilst my mum blogs happily away using the
nice interface, she doesn't give a damn about
markup (as Owen correctly guesses). She does,
however, want her entries to be enjoyed by her
friends as effectively as possible.
When I say "enjoyed" effectively, I'm not just
talking about print. My mum's friends are
getting old and can't see so well, so they use
page readers which can alter voice pitch and
timbre when reading a quotation so that it's
apparent that a change of perspective has
occurred.
Misuse of blockquote for formatting purposes
renders such capabilities ineffective.
That, of course is just one example; what we
don't know is how long the articles we write
today will survive, and how they will be used in
the future.
What I think we _can_ be sure of is that if
WordPress can assist authors in encoding meaning
(rather than formatting) into their content,
then the lifespan, audience and value of that
content can only be improved.
Rich
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:43:05 -0800
From: Matt Mullenweg < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Deleting Categories
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Owen Winkler wrote:
> Just the _javascript_ code for adding categories is about 180 lines by
> itself, which is more lines of code than, for example, all of
> wp-comments-post.php, which is only 63 lines long and makes it possible
> to submit a comment.
Yes we need to look at trimming and compressing all that. We've got a
fair amount of JS now.
--
Matt Mullenweg
http://photomatt.net | http://wordpress.org
http://pingomatic.com | http://akismet.com
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:12:08 +1100
From: "Robert Gormley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Subject: [wp-testers] Error in stock 3149
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With a stock build of 3149, I'm getting the following error:
WordPress database error: [Unknown column 'comment_count' in 'field
list']
SELECT ID as comment_post_ID, comment_count as ccount FROM wp_posts
WHERE ID in (4,3)
Regards,
Rob
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