> The use of embedded, unupgradable, and slowly upgraded devices mean that no 
> matter what, we're going to wind up with the current model we have for a long 
> period into the future.

DNSNMC is usable on virtually all devices, and yes, it "_works today_". Just 
set your DNS IP to a DNSNMC server's IP.

It might even be possible to make it work on "unupgradable" devices too by 
installing the server's root cert on the device and treating it as a 
certificate authority.

> There are other working groups for that discussion.

Would appreciate a link if you have one to point me in the right direction. I 
apology if this isn't the fora for this topic.

Thanks,
Greg

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On Dec 13, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Tom Ritter <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm very interested in Namecoin, and the generic idea of squaring Zooko's 
> triangle, and I have to admit of all the proposals I've seen you make a 
> fantastic looking website - but I don't think you understand the goal of this 
> working group.  We're not trying to replace the PKI as it exists on the 
> internet today.  There are other working groups for that discussion.  We are 
> trying to document how it _works today_, as defined in the charter: 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/wpkops/charter/ 
> 
> The use of embedded, unupgradable, and slowly upgraded devices mean that no 
> matter what, we're going to wind up with the current model we have for a long 
> period into the future.  Documenting and codifying the sharp edges we have to 
> deal with will help us deal with these devices going forward, even as we work 
> in tandem for more revolutionary ideas.
> 
> 
> -tom
> 
> 
> On 13 December 2013 15:22, Tao Effect <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> DNSNMC fixes the authentication problems previously described, and it 
> addresses all of the problems that with the previously mentioned proposals. 
> It does this first by combining DNS with Namecoin (NMC), and then by 
> encouraging a “trust only those you know” policy.5
> 
> “Namecoin is an open source decentralized key/value registration and transfer 
> system based on Bitcoin technology”.[16] Namecoin “squares Zooko’s Triangle”, 
> meaning, it makes it possible to have domain names (and other types of 
> identifiers) that are:
> 
> Authenticated: users can be certain that they are not speaking to an impostor
> 
> Decentralized: there is no central authority controlling all the names
> 
> Human-readable: names look just like today’s domain names
> 
> However, by itself, Namecoin does not provide the means by which ordinary 
> users can take advantage of the features it provides. Using Namecoin is far 
> too cumbersome for the vast majority of internet users, even those with years 
> of computer expertise. For one, it cannot be used on mobile devices (like 
> iPhones) in its current state because of its network requirements.
> 
> DNSNMC provides the missing “glue” to the Namecoin blockchain that makes it 
> immediately accessible to clients of all types with zero configuration. A 
> network administrator need only enter the IP address of a DNSNMC-compliant 
> DNS server to instantly make the information within the blockchain accessible 
> to all of the users that she (or he) provides internet access to. 
> 
> Paper: http://okturtles.com/other/dnsnmc_okturtles_overview.pdf
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg Slepak
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