Dear Alan
i'm only reporting what people said--myself i have no idea or opinion--i shd ask my father--he is a theoretical physicist who studied under Heisenberg (ironic for a man whose physics idol was Einstein--) and also worked in bio-physics and bio-chemistry--
re monotheism i wd think all monothesims are linear--as they are the narrative of the relationships of a people with their God--so there are human figures along the way who play prominent roles--Noah, Abraham, Moses etc--the prophets are also human figures--who help keep the narrative going so to speak--by creating an anticipation for what is to come--so that when the event does occur, it takes its proper place in the narrative--i understand that it is not based on one human as point A--but at same time it is linear, narrative----the originating narrative in which Jesus and Mohammed are seen as being figures in also--
one of the great creative periods in western thoght and science was in Moorish Spain, when all three tradtiions were working together--rather than being set against each other--
>From: Alan Sondheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: ....A./D./ the phenomenology analog/digital discussion
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 01:17:12 -0400
>
>The Turing hypothesis is wrong, as Penrose goes on endlessly about.
>It
>only deals with computable functions, and the world is simply not
>made up
>of only computable functions. Unsolvability theory deals with some
>of the
>stuff formally; Penrose shows as well that things like the collapse
>of the
>wave equation aren't modelled that way. I don't know your friend,
>but the
>physicist friends I've known (mainly Bohm and Finkelstein) would not
>have
>made that
claim.
>
>There are monotheisms and monotheisms. I'm referencing those that
>are
>based on a 'figure' who is human and problematic, Jesus, Mohammed,
>Joseph
>Smith, etc. It's a different situation. That's why I'm careful to
>say
>"linear narratives" etc. - it's not just monotheism, it's monotheism
>and
>body.
>
>As far as the math goes - I'm not sure what math you're talking
>about when
>you say "no one." I don't claim to be a mathematician but god knows
>I've
>talked with them. Perhaps your friend doesn't know quantum
>mechanics? I
>have no idea - Alan
>
>
>On Thu, 12 May 2005, David-Baptiste Chirot wrote:
>
>>
>>Actually, monotheism--comes from the Jewish tradition predating the
>>Christain and Islamic
monotheisms. The white hole is actually--as
>>you
>>have the three in one--three traditions of the one (God).
>>
>>Re the analog/digital discussion--I shared some of the posts with a
>>friend who works as an "architect" of computer programs. He
>>pointed out
>>that the Turing hypothesis proposes that everything in nature can
>>be
>>reproduced digitally. So far there is nothing that has proved this
>>wrong.
>>
>> He also pointed out the same thing a physicist friend had
>>noted:
>>that in this discussion, no one knows the math. Words, language
>>are
>>being substituted for the lack of math--and it results in
>>confusion.
>>What is being discussed is
actually not understood. Without
>>knowing the
>>mathematics they say, much of the philosophy is also muddled.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Alan Sondheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines"
>><[email protected]>
>> >To: [email protected]
>> >Subject: ....A./D.
>> >Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:31:13 -0400
>> >
>> >....A./D.
>> >
>> >
>> >...Analog digital / analog discrete, but also Anno Domini; one
>>can only
>> >point out that linear time from 0 moves through both negative and
>> >positive numbers; the years are integers, the continuum
>>backgrounded.
>> >A/D:
Monothe- ism's gift, this or that, before or after; A/D: the
>> >continuum of time re/produced as discrete. The year 0 of our
>>lord, the
>> >year 1 of our lord. This is the trouble with religions or
>>ideologies
>> >with monolithic and linear narratives apparently grounded in
>>specific
>> >and human events - everything proceeds like a white hole out of
>>them.
>> >Of course every system, however broken, has its accountancy; I am
>> >punning here on A./D., the ferociousness of this division, and
>>from the
>> >viewpoint of believers - as if humankind were waiting for this,
>>the
>> >insertion of our lord into history, breaking history, remaking
>>the
>> >codex of dates. Islam is similar. With monotheisms it's
all gone
>>bad;
>> >the fabrication carries a suspect political ideology, as if the
>>world
>> >has waited for year 0 and the insertion of a related temporal
>> >framework. This is what happens when there's a guy - Jesus or
>>Mohammed
>> >or whomever - involved. The construct of absolute time is
>>equivalent to
>> >absolute negative and positive, right or wrong. Clearly history
>>doesn't
>> >start or end with the guy, so one counts forwards and backwards
>>from
>> >him. But he's there as a stopper, transformation, wave equation
>> >collapse, as deadly as Schrodinger's cat might be.
>> >
>> >Somewhere Weyl wrote about the last vestige of the self/ego in
>> >physics -
>> >the Cartesian
origin. The guy hangs out there, claims the origin
>>for
>> >himself/itself, refuses to recognize the tensor algebra of the
>>thing
>> >which
>> >isn't a thing. It's be-all and end-all for him. Time begins,
>>marches
>> >forward or backward, a permanent light-cone. The rest are its
>> >children.
>> >
>> >( Note that this absolute time is _finite,_ that it begins and
>>ends,
>> >that
>> >the origin is _historical._ And note that so many other systems
>> >portend a
>> >creation behind/beyond which numeracy was non-existent; the
>>numbers
>> >begin
>> >in mythic time. So there are configurations that are lost in
>>essence
>> >- not
>> >a guy hanging out,
as if known by one and all. There's always the
>> >problem
>> >of the divine with historical time; mythos turns to miracles,
>>Jesus
>> >doing
>> >this or that, almost like a party. Three and one is one by the
>>way;
>> >for
>> >any absolute finite X here, X -> 1, I believe it is called a
>> >_kernel._ )
>> >
>> >
>> >===
>>
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