Re: Racist Tactricks of Victoria Indy Media?-- telus confirms subscribers denied access to bc and vic indy media by VICTORIA AND BC INDY MEDIA

[Ishaq]

peace this was not an issue of the little system vs the big system. this was a case of a big system and a small system vs the little guy (s) and the little guy (s) barked back -- -- in a polite, ordered, well documented canadian sort of way --  at both their incompetence in this situation. remember, nobody beats a canadian when it comes to letter writing. well, maybe the british -- but only to the bbc the struggle continues peace chris wrote: this reminds me so much of when lanny's noisetext group got shut down on yahoo (and i for one lost many writings that were important to me, cause i wrote a lot of them direct into the web form for yahoo groups and viewed them online, no copies saved on my machine anywhere). and they trashed the group without so much as a warning. no notice, nothing. in the course of muttering under my breath to various people about how it was an outrage that yahoo could just lay waste to whatever things they felt like on a whim (since we were subject to their "terms and conditions"), many people were basically trying to be apologists for them, saying that it's not censorship when it's a private company, they can do what they want, etc., and we agreed to that by using the service. well, sure, technically this is true. but it obscures some more troubling issues, one being that these web communities are being used by a lot of people in ways that community centers were in the past, and now, with these community centers being operated by private organizations (and look at how quickly the right wing of the U.S. political system is to try to shunt everything away from governmental organizations over to the private sector), there is a loss in accountability every step of the way, and it is misleading people to have them think that this benevolent service provided by corporations is somehow without hidden agendas, and risks allowing more and more power to fall into corporate hands that really have no accountability to anyone but their debt holders and investors. i have almost no doubt that it was the powerful political commentary and the explosively powerful vibes of many of the carefully constructed "auto-texts" that were being generated on the group that caused a reactionary clamp-down, because it was angry, organized and extremely intense.. i am still amazed at some of the things that came out of that group, and so some squealing meanie just couldn't take the raw, oozing ventfest, which was revealing some very ugly behind-the-scene snapshots of this culture. and it was horribly wrong to have that all ripped away in the manner that it was. i will never, EVER place trust in any of these corporations to be wise stewards of anything. and i will always carry a little black soot in my heart for whoever that loser was that stole all that away one day. this networked world carries a number of new risks that take a while to fully comprehend. and all these happy, smiley-faced support group web sites are setting people up for some dangerous power plays. we can't let our organizing efforts get locked up inside some corporation's hard drive. this is so easy to let happen, i'm worried for all of us. On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Ishaq wrote: my facts were straight. without the "<snips>" in your post -- they were statments and names from telus none of it made up and they nor i recieved response from yourself on this issue. so instead of changing the issue from freedom of _expression_ and access to information to blaim the victim (ie. "get you your facts straight..")-- the victim (s) the focus of criticism is the turn the table tactic of the british columbia left and what holds back progress and reduces activism to that of a popularity contest and closed minded clique with small minds and close ties. as for telus issue well as you can read the onus was originally on telus. when bc and vic indy media refused to comment ( as did you show very little concern over this isssue) and telus did -- the suspicion then moved to bc and vic indy media -- which apparently the issue is with bc and victoria indy media. so far the story is as it is. until the truth is revealed as to whom is lying or responsible. so the issue is yet to be resolved concerning the telus or vic indy media ban on thousands of clients who use teleus as an IPS -- which is a pretty big story my friend. this is the sharing of information based on an investigation. the hostilty, although in character with vic indy media, is uncalled for. personally, i don't know why anyone who calls themselves activist would sit back allow all these injustices to occur unquestioned and use twisted analysis to make excuse which only have them fall inline with rightest repression NWO policies and descrimination tactics. sincerely deja wrote: Telus has just confirmed to us that it is in fact them that is blocking our traffic due to a virus infection on one of our servers. We have been aware of that problem and have been working to resolve it without causing a major loss of data. Get your fact straight next time you want to start making rediculous accusations. read below: D Hi We have detected that the host: arkady.indymedia.org (66.199.18.254) is acting as a Botnet command-and-control host. It is listening on a non-standard port for bot connections. The IP is registered to Peer1 and used for Indymedia. <snip> It appears that this host has also been assigned a DNS name, associated with the botnet: bash-2.03$ host u.localroot.org u.localroot.org. has address 66.199.184.254 Can you please take whatever action you deem necessary to clean up this host? Let me know if you have any questions or if I have misread the data. Thanks - MArc Kneppers Security Consultant Data/IP - CTO TELUS On 6 June 2005 22:08, Ishaq wrote: ken (tech #830816) of telus has informed me today that it is a possibility that bc and victoria indy media have decided to ban all telus ip adresses from their site which this behavior would fall under further dirty tricks by certain victoria and indy media admins who wish to limit access to this public site and limit the flow of information. the lack or response or concern by bc and vic indy media admins concerning this issue might be coming clear perhaps it has been an attempt to target an individual or people, http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://www.world-crisis.com/analysis_comments/766_0_15_0_C/ \ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \