I'm not sure whether to keep replying, we're at an
impasse.
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, [] wrote:
Ballet IS dangerous especially if your partner
doesn't
catch you when you make a leap.
Anorexia is about exclusive to ballet as bunions.
That's irrelevant. There are ballet teachers who
encourage anorexia
deliberately.
On the french philosophers, i think i've made
myself
clear on that topic - bah and humbug.
Then there's very little to discuss.
As for no one saying it has to be one thing or
another, of course, we're all free-thinkers, but,
when
you say it is thus, the therefore is suggested if
not
implied. By stating 'modern' art has been made
safe,
by the ahhing middle-class you imply it needs to
be
re-dangerfied. in order to?...
well that's a good question, why?
No, I'm saying obviously something was lost; that
should be evident. If X
has an attribute y at time t1, then at time t2
there's no y, something is
gone, no matter what else.
Perverse is the over-turning or corruption of a
standard or norm, perversion is the inverting of a
thing, sometimes done in order to satisfy an
opinion
or theory, or even a belief. Of course when enough
people agree on a thing it is no longer perverse
it is
simply - the right opinion - like Eve was ghey.
Well, I don't want to argue definitions here of
course.
ballet IS idealization, as are many forms of
art...ballet is a traditional form of art, like
icon
painting, it has it's ballectic rigour, ballectic
discipline and and ballectic form - position one,
position two, etc. That it can be brutal is part
of
it's charm. other styles of dancing or art have
other
requirements harsher or softer.
Well, you find it charming. I know someone who was
made ill by a teacher
deliberately asking her to continue to lose weight.
And this isn't an only
case. I don't find it charming at all, and the
brutality, against a ten-
year-old? Charming?
As for your pieces, uh were we talking about
them...oh
yeah. i think some of your work is purposely
inaccesible, other work is accidently insular,
some of
it welcoming. some of it off putting. Overall/ I
don't know it well enough to say, except, i've
been
reading it for about 5 or 7 years.
Well, it's not purposely inaccessible; that's a bit
ad hominem and not
right. Of course some is insular, some welcoming,
etc.
hoi-poloi is not MY term, it is a perfectly
acceptable
term meaning those that don't get it.
It has a lot more connotations than that.
- Alan
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--- Alan Sondheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, [] wrote:
why does art always have to be dangerous? is the
world
such a safe place that we need to turn to art
for
danger?
No one says it has to be one thing or another.
It's not a question of danger. Ballet _is_
dangerous; young girls are
encouraged to be anorectic, and people like
Foofwa
have spoken out against
that. But the danger is hidden; ballet is
hypocritical to the extent it
points out a conceivably perfect human being with
'acceptable' sexuality
that wouldn't be under any other circumstance. My
work pointed that out;
ballet itself, and Degas as far as I'm concerned,
buries it.
it seems a bit snobby to me to re-define a piece
of
art in terms that would exclude the hoi-poloi,
to
re-sanctify it in order to exclude. as if only
the
few
can see it for what it truly is - sexual and
dangerous, while we poor fools we can only ah
and
bah
and etc. and why is the sexual considered
dangerous?
my goodness, don't you watch MTV? But perhaps
you
don't mean sexual, perhaps you mean perverse.
No one is excluding anything. You're assuming the
so-called hoi-polloi
(your word not mine) wouldn't understand my
pieces?
Why is the sexual considered dangerous? Good
grief.
Look at Roheim,
Foucault, Freud, the reaction to Freud, the
legislation in this lovely
country of ours. And no, I didn't mean perverse.
I'm
not sure I could even
define perverse.
- Alan, not sure who your reply was addressed to
(particularly the last
section, which I think was to Talan?) -
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