Didn't LBJ do some pretty progressive things tho. Like creating several 
National Parks
and halting all dam construction within the National Park areas because of Lady 
Bird's
love of nature and the influence of David Brower and the Sierra Club.
Meanwhile JFK wanted only to build more Dams like the one that destroyed Glenn 
Canyon
in Arizona.. I think some of the basic assumptions about our parties were a 
little different
not too long ago..

lq


----- Original Message -----
From: "David-Baptiste Chirot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: aarggh


Remeber when President LBJ used to address the Nation as "My fellow
Murkans"?
You could imagine Question Mark and the Mysterians encountering the Murkans
with 96 Tears.

From: Alex Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: aarggh
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 04:23:31 -0700

One thing to remember, at least with regards to
context, is that the term really began to take on
manner on the North American continent. The rest of
South American was simply, and regrettably, a place
where things were taken from -- as opposed to, say,
built. You see that all over South America, the -ness,
as Stein might say, including such remote locales as
the Galapagos, with young boys with names like Ivan
and Stalin. One's anger shouldn't, one wonders, be
relegated to issues of semantics -- as samantics, one
could argue, is often less about what is concrete and
more of an excuse for artifice. I may not understand
the issue well enough, however.

AJ

--- Halvard Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Duh, like that's a point that really needs to be
> made. As though all of South America isn't
> "American" too.
>
> Hal        "If the brain were so simple we could
> understand
>                 it, we would be so simple we
> couldn't."
>                                              --Lyall
> Watson
>
> Halvard Johnson
> ================
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>             [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard
> blogs:     http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
>
> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>
> > I have often written _USAmericans_ in order to
> make the point that
> > there are
> > a number of other countries on the continent
> >
> > L
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: aarggh
> >
> >
> >
> >> [unhinged rant mode on]
> >>
> >> i would like the term "american" to be struck
> from any discussion
> >> involving united statesians.  i'm tired of this
> stupid, self-
> >> centered,
> >> overblown egomaniac of a country running around
> promoting itself as
> >> "america" (i refuse to "capitalize" it!).  it is
> not america,
> >> america is
> >> the continent that the european diaspora landed
> on, destroying
> >> much of the
> >> indigenous population.  and thank god the united
> states didn't
> >> devour the
> >> whole of the continent!  there are still a few
> buffer zones which may
> >> protect some of what remaining value is left in
> the receding
> >> wild.  but at
> >> the same time, let's not let our loathing of
> nationalism make us
> >> forget
> >> that there is a deeper disturbance in the force
> here, and that is the
> >> untethered flow of capital and labor being
> wielded by multi-national
> >> corporations, sans frontier, the world is
> becoming increasingly
> >> class-based in place of the old nationalism.  all
> you have to do
> >> to see
> >> that is watch where the wealthy tourists go when
> they visit a
> >> city.  they
> >> go to the zones where their foreign class analogs
> go.  the
> >> rainforest can
> >> be destroyed by one nationality as well as any
> other when they're
> >> trying
> >> to grab what they can to keep themselves propped
> up over and above
> >> the
> >> unwashed others.  if i have to watch another
> pinched smile handshake
> >> between two suited "alpha males" as they join
> forces for [insert
> >> destructive activity here, one of the best
> examples is probably real
> >> estate "development"] i'm going to go down and
> register myself as
> >> a card
> >> carrying member of the voluntary human extinction
> movement.  these
> >> things
> >> have been messed up and headed for disaster at
> least since before
> >> i was
> >> born, and i can't stand to watch this blind idiot
> glee as these
> >> fucktards
> >> drag what bit of hope for the world is left
> through this swamp of
> >> lies and
> >> arrogance and violence and , oh goddamn it!  i've
> just had enough
> >> of all
> >> this shit!  they are itchin' for a fight, and i'd
> like to goddamn
> >> give it
> >> to them.  you can't tell me that it's lost yet,
> but i realize the
> >> odds
> >> (and the power, military, media, otherwise) is
> stacked against
> >> us.  but
> >> all they have to go on is duping the people and
> selling them
> >> fear.  the
> >> rest of us have our humanity and our OWN GODDAMN
> MINDS that
> >> operate as
> >> freely as we're capable, which may not be much,
> having been raised
> >> in this
> >> hell hole.
> >>
> >> anyone who hasn't noticed during the last few
> decades that the
> >> simulations
> >> of our entertainment industries have become more
> and more
> >> programmed, more
> >> and more formulized, more and more moralistic,
> well then you just
> >> haven't
> >> been paying attention.  darth vader and his
> henchmen ensconsed
> >> themselves
> >> into power by taking our critical faculties away,
> piece by piece.
> >> and
> >> then selling the docile masses a load of
> kool-aid.  drink it up, YUM!
> >>
> >> go ahead and believe you're so fucking clever,
> right up to the
> >> point when
> >> everything becomes unsustainably broken.  we may
> be there already!
> >>
> >> happy hell on earth day!
> >>
> >> [unhinged rant mode off]
> >>
> >> phew....  i guess i feel ?better?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Ryan Whyte wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> now the 'intelligent design' debate is on in the
> US and something
> >>> like
> >>> 2/3rds of americans think creationism should be
> taught in schools;
> >>> meanwhile, Bush wants to spend billions going to
> the moon to
> >>> build roads
> >>> there, as if the war and hurricane cleanup
> weren't costly enough
> >>> and the
> >>> gap between rich and poor not a shameful howling
> chasm. (not that
> >>> canada
> >>> is any better, today I read that we've decided
> to share nuclear
> >>>
> > technology
> >
> >>> with, wait for it...India, just as the liberals
> announce no new
> >>> money
> >>>
> > for
> >
> >>> aboriginal health and communities. and we're
> just itching to ramp up
> >>>
> > trade
> >
> >>> with China, that bastion of freedoms).
> technofetishism and
> >>> religion go
> >>> hand in hand, and our leaders evidently wish to
> kill us all on
> >>> the way
> >>>
> > to
> >
> >>> destroying our ability to reason. Michael
> Ignatief advises the
> >>>
> > democrats,
> >
> >>> possibly the most useless party in the history
> of mankind, not to
> >>> talk
> >>> down to religious folks. but that would require
> a saintliness I
> >>> for one
> >>>
> > do
> >
> >>> not possess....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>





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