Not sure what ratio you're referencing. Chaotic systems aren't random - they just appear that way; the slightest change in one of the equation variables results in a wildly different curve.

- Alan


On Fri, 6 Oct 2006, Jim Piat wrote:

Dear D^,  Folks--

My sketchy understanding of chaos theory is based solely on popular accounts. But isn't there some ratio that describes bifurcation points in many turbulent systems -- or the locations of so called strange attractors? That these fractal like chaotic systems are not so random as previously supposed? Strictly my layman's question based upon my layman's understanding or misunderstanding. So mine is a question to you all on the side. I realize the answer does not bear directly on what role the golden mean specifically may or may not play in fractal systems (i.e. whether such a value would be fundamental structurally -- temporally or spatially).

Jim Piat
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 I wonder about this, Alan....
 The golden mean evidences itself so nicely, naturally (of course) in so many 
ways, I often wonder if it doesn't also exist on the temporal stage.... 
re:cycles... as an example... which COULD put it in a Mandelbrot or some other 
such fractal relationship re chaos.....?

 D^


 On 5-Oct-06, at 10:54 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:


   I don't think chaos or fractals relate to the gold mean - you can make any 
kind of display you want of course, including some that would relate - but that 
would be in terms of one's graphics choice.

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