I don't think its entirely possible to have a website, look and feel
exactly the same on every browser, on every OS...
Its never been done with anything - software never looks or behaves the
same way (unless its entire engine is ported over - ie. Games)
Because OS's have their defining features, they strive to be different.

>From that, we cannot expect to ever be able to make a singular website
in HTML, and CSS which will look identical on every OS and every
Browser...

The best shot we have to try is Browsercam, other than that, there
really isn't much more possible to do...

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Chris Stratford
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www.neester.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]



On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 03:14  PM, Ryan Christie wrote:

> I think that what was more in our minds was a browser that could 
> switch rendering engines on the fly in one window. For example, in the

> famous FB.7 release, if you navigate to a website that has different 
> CSS styles available to be loaded, you can switch styles using an icon

> that pops up in the lower left-hand corner (for example, 
> http://www.theward.net, or http://www.texturizer.net/firebird) ... If 
> there was an application out there that I could use to switch from 
> rendering engine to rendering engine, browser to browser ... I would 
> galdly pay over US$100 for the convienience.

Wow -- a whole $100 for something that would save you endless hours of 
work???  Big spender!


I just can't see it being possible, unless all browser manufacturers 
released the source code of their rendering engine (not a chance in the 
case of IE).  Even if they did, there would still be inconsistencies 
due to the fact that the rendering engines aren't operating in their 
intended environment.

What it seems you're asking for is a plug-in for something like Mozilla 
which can be set to badly render web pages with bugs (like IE's box 
model), emulating those rendering engines.

Again, the problem here is that you aren't testing against the browser, 
you're testing against the plug-in's ability to emulate that browser's 
rendering engine.

And it's not just the rendering engine that needs to be tested -- it's 
the UI (IE's lack of text sizing for px and pt fonts for example), and 
truckloads of underlying code modules (PNG, JavaScript, the list goes 
on).


The absolute best possible scenario I can think of (and even then, I 
have no idea if it can be done) is if you loaded everything onto a Mac 
running OSX, Virtual PC (for the Windows browsers), an XWindows style 
emulator (for Linux GUI browsers), then came up with an AppleScript for 
your default browser (eg Safari) which opened up a new window in all 
installed browsers, using the URL of your current Safari window.

You can then systematically look at all the open windows, click around 
a little, then close them when you're done.

EVEN THEN, it's not perfect... you're not testing the windows & linux 
browsers in a perfect environment (Virtual PC & XWindows are emulators, 
not physical machines, and are extremely slow), and there's the fact 
that the Multiple IE thing isn't perfect at all.


I'd never say never, but I will say 'dream on' :)


Justin French

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