Following this tread, reading the satay article, and looking up the XHTML 1.0 spec for the object tag, it seems to me, that I could put all this code inside an external CSS. My questions are [1] am I right? [2] would keeping the flash code out of the HTML using id's on the object element allow strict validation, since all major browsers do somewhat support object? [3] or just use Drew Mclellan's solution? Also I ask the same confirmation question as P.
Leo
On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 07:43 AM, James Ellis wrote:
Hi
Looking at the code (from source URL below)
<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/ swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"
width="300" height="120">
<param name="movie" value="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/ triggerpages_mmcom/flash.swf"> <param name="quality" value="high">
<param name="bgcolor" value="#FFFFFF">
<!--[if !IE]> <-->
<object data="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/triggerpages_mmcom/ flash.swf"
width="300" height="120" type="application/x-shockwave-flash">
<param name="quality" value="high">
<param name="bgcolor" value="#FFFFFF">
<param name="pluginurl" value="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer";>
FAIL (the browser should render some flash content, not this).
</object>
<!--> <[endif]-->
</object>
It's evident there are two tags running - one for ActiveX browsers (i.e IE on Win32) devices and the other for every other browser. The idea behind removing the embed tag (a proprietary Netscape tag for NS4 and under) was to have only 1 tag set for every user agent. Drew Mclellan's Flash Satay on A List Apart does this to good effect.. In the code above we have the ActiveX clsid for IE, the other version has the W3C recommended way to do it - this seems to be the sticking point for certain versions of IE5.x that will display a "textarea" instead of your object.
I did some work on this when I was looking at really pushing Flash for some work I was doing and wanted to adhere to the standards. I couldn't actually reproduce this bug - Russ told me once that he and Rose didn't reproduce it either in their testing (my testing was on IE5.5 on Win ME (the platform from hell).
This implementation doesn't really solve the tag soup problem - it uses propietrary IE conditionals instead of proprietary Netscape tags.... does IE for other versions of Windows (devices for instance) ignore the conditionals and attempt to display two objects? Something that IE handles really well ;D
As for the streaming of Flash, modularising the movie is the solution to this and probably should be implemented on every Flash app, instead of having one movie do everything. It seems to be a layover from the bad old days of "loading 600kb"....thats a topic for another list , tho', but it's really easy to do and helps out with app updates, scalability no end.
HTH James
Chris Bentley wrote:
The imitable Ian Hickson has some valid HTML to embed Macromedia Flash files using only the OBJECT tag...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2004Apr/0071.html
Cheers, chris.
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